Challenge: Severoslavia

ninebucks

Banned
With any POD you like, your challenge is to have a state known as Severoslavia be established in north-east Europe at some point during the late 19th or 20th Centuries. Points will be awarded according to how closely its fate resembles that of OTL Yugoslavia.
 
inspired by both the success of the Yugoslav Kingdom and influenced by the Międzymorze, Polish and Belarussians plot to make a pan-Slavic state in the North. As Germany collapses following WWI and Russia collapses into chaos, Severoslavian militias occupy key cities in Poland, Belarus, and Russia. They establish a Kingdom of Poles, Byelorussians, Rusyns, etc. The new Soviet Union and defeated Germany can't do anything to destroy this new state.

When the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact rolls around, the Soviets and Nazis agree to divide up Severoslavia. After this WWII does historical, except the Soviets set up a client People's Republic of Severoslavia instead of outright annexation.
 

Thande

Donor
Perhaps if Poland did even better in the Polish-Soviet War and absorbed more of Belarus and Ukraine?

Given the past, though, I'd more expect them to call it the Commonwealth of X, Y and Z rather than creating a catch-all name...
 
Germany wins WWI, then collapses in revolution. The Baltics and the Balkans and the Ukraine, et al, set up a country. It's too big to collapse and has rapid economic progress because it has too many different sectors for the government to control and screw up.
 
Its impossible. there aren't multiple northern slavic peoples in the North like in the South. the closest thing would be Russian controlled Prussia. and a whole s-load of Russians, Belorussians, Poles, and Sorbians flock to the area due to Soviet rulership. they would mitigate these people there for the purpose of permanantely making it Russian. then, the different tribes would fight the soviets because they don't wanna be controlled anymore. then peace. no civil strife.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Its impossible. there aren't multiple northern slavic peoples in the North like in the South. the closest thing would be Russian controlled Prussia. and a whole s-load of Russians, Belorussians, Poles, and Sorbians flock to the area due to Soviet rulership. they would mitigate these people there for the purpose of permanantely making it Russian. then, the different tribes would fight the soviets because they don't wanna be controlled anymore. then peace. no civil strife.

By northern slavs I guess he means both east and west slavs, which would be six full nations (russians, ukranians, poles, belarussians, czechs and slovaks) and a few minority nations (like sorbs, mazurians, kashnubian and etc.)
 
By northern slavs I guess he means both east and west slavs, which would be six full nations (russians, ukranians, poles, belarussians, czechs and slovaks) and a few minority nations (like sorbs, mazurians, kashnubian and etc.)

even then its still impossible. the majority of them are Christians, whether they're protestant, catholic, Orthodox or otherwise. in the south however, there is a large population of Muslims as well. this was the first cause of the strife in Yugoslavia
 
Hoodbhoy
There were nonslavs in Yugoslavia, specifically Albanians, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, and Germans. Adding more Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, and Hungarians to the mix, along with slavs like Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Lativa, Byelorussia, Ukrania, Lithuania, Bulgaria and some Russians is not that big a deal, even if you have to include a few Estonians. Or even some Finns (with that Swedish minority) and Lapps in Karelia. Ok, and some Crimean Tatars. As a proportion, slavs would be a bigger percentage than in Yugoslavia.
 
Latvia and Lithuania are Baltic not Slavic.

A union of Poland, Belarus and Ukraine at the end of WWI could be done if the Polish army was more successfull...

Could be fun to make it the Triple Crown of Severoslavia.

The major problem I see to this kind of union is first the catholic/orthodox problem and secondly the roman/cyrillic alphabet problem.
It is one of the major oppositions between Serbs and Croatians, it would happen even quicker in larger countries like Poland, Belarus and Ukraine.

I suppose a Commonwealth of the Poles, Slovaks and Czechs is more likely...
 
Hoodbhoy
There were nonslavs in Yugoslavia, specifically Albanians, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, and Germans. Adding more Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, and Hungarians to the mix, along with slavs like Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Lativa, Byelorussia, Ukrania, Lithuania, Bulgaria and some Russians is not that big a deal, even if you have to include a few Estonians. Or even some Finns (with that Swedish minority) and Lapps in Karelia. Ok, and some Crimean Tatars. As a proportion, slavs would be a bigger percentage than in Yugoslavia.

The Slavs were the leading nationalities of Yugoslavia, so to speak. This Severoslavia of yours is set to include the Balkans and the Baltics, which means that it can't avoid having non-Slavic leading nationalities. They'd resist a Slavic identity for the federation and will probably find the Poles themselves taking their side, as they were never that interested in the whole pan-Slavic thing. And why include the Balkans at all? The Balkans are populated by South Slavs, so the federation simply can't be a north Slavic one even if you bypass all the non-Slavic countries.

Anyway, for the reason I mentioned before regarding the Poles, any such federation would have to be a Czech or Russian initiative. These peoples and the Serbs were always the most interested in pan-Slavism (and the Serbs can't be in it).
 
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