Challenge:Rule Britannia.

Starting to 01-01-1900 make Great Britain the ruling great power in 2011.
Any fluke or trick is valid (less ASB,obviously).
 
I can think of a few events that could help:
- Have Kaiser Wilhelm II die early thus decreasing the German obsession with a Kriegsmarine and expansion.
- Attempt to unite at least the 'White Colonies' of the Empire which could develop to include other colonies.
- Have Russia implode and fragment.
- Keep the United States isolationist, possibly have it implode too somehow.
 
Have the Venezuelan Crisis escalate, and the USA rashly declare war on the British and the Germans. Those two subsequently curbstomp the United States, and forge a lasting alliance into the 20th century.
 
I can think of a few events that could help:
- Have Kaiser Wilhelm II die early thus decreasing the German obsession with a Kriegsmarine and expansion.
- Attempt to unite at least the 'White Colonies' of the Empire which could develop to include other colonies.
- Have Russia implode and fragment.
- Keep the United States isolationist, possibly have it implode too somehow.

So,the main scenario is:
1-No WW-I (and obviously WW-II)
2-Imperial confederatiom between UK,Australia,New Zealand,Canada (i presume by 1900-1910 at the least)
3-a weak Russia,maybe imploded fron early 900 (1905?) in several indipendent countries (but nothing communist)
4-A USA happy in his isolationism (maybe no 1898 Spanish-America war?).
This for the most.

I think that can also help a Austro-Hungaric empire transformed in to Federation (Rudolph or Franz Ferdinand on throne by 1895?),
a different and more moderate Kaiser in Germany,
maybe a more friendly approch between British Empire and German Empire.
And a more stable Ottoman Empire ( ASB think at an Ottoman federation ?)
 

Anaxagoras

Banned
My Rule Britannia TL uses a decisive British victory at Gallipoli as its POD. Having Britain escape the massive human and financial cost of the First World War is essential to any scenario in which they are still the dominant power throughout the 20th Century.
 
My Rule Britannia TL uses a decisive British victory at Gallipoli as its POD. Having Britain escape the massive human and financial cost of the First World War is essential to any scenario in which they are still the dominant power throughout the 20th Century.

Pretty much. The second world war could easily be decided then. France and the Empire would of led an offensive into the German heartland when the German's invaded Poland. That's only if the UK and France don't declare when the Germans declare the Sudetenland. The Czechs, UK, France and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia could of invaded Germany.

The Kingdom of Yugoslavia had one of the most powerful airforce in the world at some point and could of easily been supplied with more modern equipment. I think they would provide air-support for the armour of the Czechs.

Italy would hold out decent from this war as well. Without actually getting too involved with Hitler and Mussolini seeking every path to be in the history books and the fact that he had several Jewish friends he could of taken the opportunity to declare war on Nazi Germany and join the offensive.

Germany would of been easily overwhelmed. The French and UK Empire would still be in decent economical shape and colonies would have no reason to rebel against such a strong defender. Italy would also appear as a semi-decent state and keep as much of the empire it could hold.
 

Anaxagoras

Banned
Pretty much. The second world war could easily be decided then. France and the Empire would of led an offensive into the German heartland when the German's invaded Poland. That's only if the UK and France don't declare when the Germans declare the Sudetenland. The Czechs, UK, France and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia could of invaded Germany.

The Kingdom of Yugoslavia had one of the most powerful airforce in the world at some point and could of easily been supplied with more modern equipment. I think they would provide air-support for the armour of the Czechs.

Italy would hold out decent from this war as well. Without actually getting too involved with Hitler and Mussolini seeking every path to be in the history books and the fact that he had several Jewish friends he could of taken the opportunity to declare war on Nazi Germany and join the offensive.

Germany would of been easily overwhelmed. The French and UK Empire would still be in decent economical shape and colonies would have no reason to rebel against such a strong defender. Italy would also appear as a semi-decent state and keep as much of the empire it could hold.

That's all good and well. But you're forgetting that if WWI had never happened, or had happened in a very different way than it did IOTL, then WWII would never have taken place at all.
 
That's all good and well. But you're forgetting that if WWI had never happened, or had happened in a very different way than it did IOTL, then WWII would never have taken place at all.

The second world war could state for different reasons. :confused:
 

archaeogeek

Banned
Have the Venezuelan Crisis escalate, and the USA rashly declare war on the British and the Germans. Those two subsequently curbstomp the United States, and forge a lasting alliance into the 20th century.

That late?
No, not a chance.

To have the empire survive you need to replace the world with a Victoria AI. That's pretty much the only way.
 
A Gallipoli victory 1915-16 end to WW1 could well wave away the preconditions for a WW2 I would think. Of course it may not, but it could

Is it a reasonable assumption that a decisive Gallipoli victory by the Entente means an early Entente victory?

Questions

1. Is it reasonable to assume that a victory at Gallipoli means a capture of Constantinople? I would assume yes

2. If 1. is reasonable, does this mean that the Entente negotiate an exit of some kind with the Ottomans? Or does this mean that Entente do not get agreement and have to keep fighting to enforce whatever it is that they want to do - e.g. dividing up the possessions of the Empire, including the Anatolian/European hinterland? With the benefit of hindsight, the former would be better, but the latter is likely, given that the Ottomans are likely to be the victim of the Entente avariace as per OTL. Would a victory in 1916 change that?

3. If there is a negotiated settlement that pulls the Ottomans out of the war entirely, or on the Entente side, then this will be best case, as the Entente will not need to get bogged down fighting there and can use troops/resources elsewhere. This would also mean that the Russians can do a similar effort and reposition their resources westwards, which may help a lot. Would this be enough to pressure AH/Germany to the negotiating table, or make for substantial Russian advantage in 1915/16?

4. If at the least, we get a situation where the Entente are both not commiting lot of troops in the East and but also cannot reposition substantial resources Westwards, does the mere facts of an open Straits (trade/resupply) and a pliant/distracted Ottomans mean an early Western victory?
 

archaeogeek

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Except this doesn't solve one problem: unless you tear Germany apart entirely, the empire will eventually lag behind them, and already lags massively behind the USA. If soviet-style industrialization happens in Russia, barring a crash like it's been having since the fall of the SU, Russia will also significantly catch up.
 
The problem I see here is that at 1900 Russia, Germany and the US are about to overtake Britain if their 1890-1910 developments would be extrapolated. Therefore, you'd have to limit development of all three of these.

A german-Russian war followed by a revolution and a subsequent second war could do that for Germany and Russia - and at the same time provide emmigrants needed to increase the population of the dominions.

An end to all racist ideas in the British Empire could pave the way to non-white colonies staying within a federalized Empire and developping. But this is quite hard.

Considering the US, I really don't see how to limit their development aside from internal troubles which would likely be borderline ASB.
 
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