Challenge Reverse Mexico and the US

The challenge is, with a POD or PODs after 1790, to have Mexico being the Super Power dominating North America and influentual throughout the World whilst a United States, which retains at least the original 13 states are poor and unstable.
 
Actually pretty hard to say it contains the original 13, if any are to not be part of it the original 13 are top odds.
 
After 1790? Pretty hard. The US already has a large middle class supported by extensive cross-Atlantic trade and exploitation of continental resources, whereas Mexico already has a very stratified, class based society where the generals and clergy hold most of the power.

I suppose you could have something like Confederate partisans being a lot worse, meaning you have a longer and more strenuous occupation of the South and an increasingly authoritarian government attempting to fight this guerrilla movement.

EDIT: And I'm sure there's a whole bunch of PoDs that could turn the US into a plutocratic industrial shithole, but none to have it exactly match Mexico today and I'm having trouble thinking of anything that could turn Mexico into the superpower (then again, I'm no expert on 19th century Mexican history).
 
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Or perhaps the Confederates win the war, take the West, and join with Mexico to form the Confederate Empire? (Blame HOI2, not me...)
 
Only thing I can think of is opposition to war with Mexico being stronger here so no US-Mex war, then a typical southern-victory style thang. Problem is this doesn't result in a US the same as Mexico, just a bit weaker.
 
Mexico somehow wins the Mex-American war by a long shot.

I remember reading somewhere about the Mexican plan to annex the Gulf coat up to New Olreans, so maybe they do that and more, annexing territory and making them the dominant power.

pretty close to ASB though.
 
No, not Vicky on this one. The AH scenario in the Armageddon expansion...
Ah. Well, I don't have that expansion, yet, as one can't buy it on CD.
So I'm planning to buy the Anniversary package just for it, and I'm not even that interested in anything else but the new uxx tags that are used in mods like New Nations.:rolleyes:
Still, I should have remembered 'the Confederate Empire'.
 
Ah. Well, I don't have that expansion, yet, as one can't buy it on CD.
So I'm planning to buy the Anniversary package just for it, and I'm not even that interested in anything else but the new uxx tags that are used in mods like New Nations.:rolleyes:
Still, I should have remembered 'the Confederate Empire'.

Yes, it is kinda hilarious.;)
 
Mexico somehow wins the Mex-American war by a long shot.

I remember reading somewhere about the Mexican plan to annex the Gulf coat up to New Olreans, so maybe they do that and more, annexing territory and making them the dominant power.

pretty close to ASB though.
Pretty much. There was some pre-war Mexican talk of marching up South and freeing the slaves, but I don't recall ever hearing anything about how they were supposed to get there (besides walking).
 
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