Challenge regarding Germany's post-WWII territorial losses

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Your challenge, is to have Germany keep all or at least some of the territory it lost after WWII, with a POD no earlier than the Nazi invasion of Poland. Why? Because I always liked how Germany looked like it was nomming Poland.
 
Couldn't think of a better title.

Your challenge, is to have Germany keep all or at least some of the territory it lost after WWII, with a POD no earlier than the Nazi invasion of Poland. Why? Because I always liked how Germany looked like it was nomming Poland.

Hitler chokes on an artichoke on September 3 1939.
Nazi bosses have a spat that seems likely to destabilize the country, therefore, the generals move in. Goering, Himmler and Hess have an aircraft accident and die.
Von Brauchitsch or Beck become interim head of government.
Stalin, seeing Germany weakened, does not move into Poland.
The French launch their major offensive on September 16. They make little headway, yet they manage to nibble some more German homeland ground, which strongly worries the German population and government.
The Poles, not undermined by the Soviet attack and encouraged by the French one, manage to maintain their "Romanian bridgehead" in the South East of their country. The British and the French strong-arm the Romanians into letting supplies move through their country, from the seaports to that Polish stronghold.
On September 28, the Germans launch a final attempt at dissolving the Polish stronghold, but fail due to faltering morale, shortages of 37mm rounds for their tanks, the fact that the Luftwaffe has largely redeployed West to help contain the French thrusts, and the fact that the poles now defend much shorter lines.
In November, the German government asks for a ceasefire. Negotiations follow. The German position is that the Gleiwitz casus belli was real, but that it was blew out of all proportion by Hitler, now gone.

The final settlement gives Poland only Danzig, plus very hefty reparations and formal guarantees concerning the safeguards for Polish minorities in German border regions. Since Danzig was not part of Germany in September 1939, so that's not a problem. Probably the Germans do lose something else, that was part of their territory, and that's Memel, annexed from Lithuania earlier that year. I'm afraid that the British and French will be satisfied with Czechia regaining independence, and won't insist for a restitution of the Sudeten.
 

Nietzsche

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Couldn't think of a better title.

Your challenge, is to have Germany keep all or at least some of the territory it lost after WWII, with a POD no earlier than the Nazi invasion of Poland. Why? Because I always liked how Germany looked like it was nomming Poland.
You're a wo/man after my own heart.

Now, I think there's a decent possibility of retaining Silesia west of the Oder even with a 1944 PoD. All we really have to do is keep the border at the Oder, and not the Oder-Neisse.
 

BlondieBC

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Don't invade the USSR, and get a win or draw.

We have a thread up on Malta and a Med strategy. Take these ideas and have the Germans do better. Might butterfly in a different border.

Lots of ways to do this really. Anything that makes for a weaker USSR might work too. Imagine one more great blunder by Stalin or Hitler one less blunder. Or less lend lease for Stalin.
 
Don't invade the USSR, and get a win or draw.

Get a lose as the USA enter the war.

Lots of ways to do this really. Anything that makes for a weaker USSR might work too. Imagine one more great blunder by Stalin or Hitler one less blunder. Or less lend lease for Stalin.

All of that get a Germany as reduced as in OTL, though maybe with less remaining German territory under Soviet control. OTOH you also gain a number of nuked German cities.
 
Don't invade the USSR, and get a win or draw.

We have a thread up on Malta and a Med strategy. Take these ideas and have the Germans do better. Might butterfly in a different border.

Lots of ways to do this really. Anything that makes for a weaker USSR might work too. Imagine one more great blunder by Stalin or Hitler one less blunder. Or less lend lease for Stalin.

Oh crap, I forgot to mention that I was looking for PODs where Germany still looses in a crushing defeat, yet still keeps at least some of it's eastern territories.
 

MSZ

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Oh crap, I forgot to mention that I was looking for PODs where Germany still looses in a crushing defeat, yet still keeps at least some of it's eastern territories.

Then you need the western allies to make it really far east (remember, OTL they made further east than the iron curtain was, Patton liberating Pilzen, but had withdraw because of Roosevelt) or somewhat further east with a different Allied leadership (one which won't bow to Stalin's every whim). This can be made more possible than OTL should there be a different German leadership, one more willing to negotiate peace with the west. Obviously, that meant killing Hitler and making it haooen at a time when the west held the upper hand, best case scenario being before the fall of France.

So rather than France falling, let's say the phony war goes on, the French and Brits doing nothing while Germany invades Denmar, Norway and Yugoslavia. He eventually takes on the USSR (no war in northern Africa, Italy maintains friendly neutrality), has OTL level of success, but the war turns against him eventually. One of the many assasination attempts against Hitler works, or he dies in an air raid. New leadership takes over and starts negotiations while the Russians are not in East Prussia yet - possibly due to the Allies finally making it into the Ruhr after all those years. So now either Germany capitulates and loses territory after negotiations, or the Franco-British military machine which gathered strength in the phony war steamrolls all the way to Berlin in one huge campaign. Either way, more German terrotories are in allied hands; if any ceisefire treaty can get the Polish Home Army to be recognized as combatants of the Polish Army, they can be allowed to disarm the Germans occupying Poland and take control of bridges/railways in the east, preventing a Soviet advance (like what OTL Operation Tempest was suppose to be, only with the Germans giving up and the Poles denying Soviets further access west). Stalin is pissed, annnexes what he still can, Poland is compensated at Germany's expanse, the Germans have suffered a crushing military defeat. It loses Upper Silesia, Danzig, East Prussia, returns to pre-partition borders in Brandenburg and Pomeralia.
 
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