In honor of my username (lol), how would you contrive to put Cecily of York on the throne of England?

Having Elizabeth of York die early is okay but having Cecily marry Henry VII in her place is too easy so please don’t do that.

Queen Regnant is preferable if you can manage it but really just don’t marry her to Henry and feel free to do literally whatever else.
 
In honor of my username (lol), how would you contrive to put Cecily of York on the throne of England?

Having Elizabeth of York die early is okay but having Cecily marry Henry VII in her place is too easy so please don’t do that.

Queen Regnant is preferable if you can manage it but really just don’t marry her to Henry and feel free to do literally whatever else.

What about a Yorkist rebellion in favour of Warwick is successful. Warwick gets married to Cecily. Then after having one or two kids, Warwick dies and Cecily serves as successful regent/regnant. The rebellion involves Henry VII dying, and Liz and her mother-in-law get put in prison.
 
In a scenario where...
  • Liz dies.
  • Anne Neville survives.
  • Cecily avoids her OTL first marriage to Scrope.
  • And Richard resigns himself to having a nephew as heir (as opposed to OTL, where he could hope to get an heir from a second marriage).
Maybe Richard would marry Cecily to Warwick (or Lincoln, if his wife Margaret Fitzalan is dead) to boost their legitimacy, and they inherit the throne when Richard croaks (with Tudor having been defeated in the interim)?
 
What about a Yorkist rebellion in favour of Warwick is successful. Warwick gets married to Cecily. Then after having one or two kids, Warwick dies and Cecily serves as successful regent/regnant. The rebellion involves Henry VII dying, and Liz and her mother-in-law get put in prison.

I like this idea but Warwick’s wife Anne Beauchamp was alive until 1492 at which point Henry Tudor has been king since 1485 and married to Liz since 1486 and they’ve already had Arthur (1486), Margaret (1489), and Henry (1491). And that’s avoiding Warwick himself dying in 1471 ad be did OTL, although given that was in battle to restore the Lancastrians in alliance with Margaret of Anjou, which we’re avoiding here, I assume. So, at by 1492, even if Cecily has avoided being married to John Welles in 1487/8, I don’t see a Yorkist rebellion going off successfully. The rebellion has got to go off before Henry has sons, I think, so if you still want to make a match between Warwick and Cecily, you have to find a way to kill off Anne and/or delay Henry and Elizabeth’s marriage.

In a scenario where...
  • Liz dies.
  • Anne Neville survives.
  • Cecily avoids her OTL first marriage to Scrope.
  • And Richard resigns himself to having a nephew as heir (as opposed to OTL, where he could hope to get an heir from a second marriage).
Maybe Richard would marry Cecily to Warwick (or Lincoln, if his wife Margaret Fitzalan is dead) to boost their legitimacy, and they inherit the throne when Richard croaks (with Tudor having been defeated in the interim)?

I’m a little confused, are Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury still alive here? Because if not, I don’t see Richard willing to rule through Cecily’s kid. If Anne Neville is still alive, there’s still a chance they could try for another kid. They seem to have maybe had some fertility issues since Edward of Middleham was their only kid but Anne was only 28 when she died OTL. It’s not out of the question that she manages another kid.

See above for the timeliness of a Warwick-Cecily match. Lincoln died in a Yorkist rebellion in 1487 OTL but if we make it a successful one or make the Yorkists successful before 1487 we can probably avoid his death. Info about Margaret FitzAlan at least on the internet is spurious. She may have lived to 1493, she may have lived longer, she may have given Lincoln children, maybe not. It seems Lincoln married her in the late 1470s though, so if we avoid that marriage, he could be available for Cecily.

Gah, this is way harder than I realized and I knew it would be hard.

Let’s see, you could have Liz die young, betroth Cecily to Henry Tudor in her place, kill Henry off in a Yorkist rebellion before they’re married, marry her to Lincoln? But you’d still have to avoid his marriage to Margaret FitzAlan beforehand or have her die before Henry Tudor, hmm...

Of course a Edward of Westminster/Cecily of York marriage would effectively unite the Lancastrian and Yorkist claims but you’d need Edward not to die in 1471, avoid his marriage to Anne Neville or have her die in childbirth, and even then, I’m not sure how realistic it would be to see him marry Cecily as opposed to abroad.
 
I like this idea but Warwick’s wife Anne Beauchamp was alive until 1492 at which point Henry Tudor has been king since 1485 and married to Liz since 1486 and they’ve already had Arthur (1486), Margaret (1489), and Henry (1491). And that’s avoiding Warwick himself dying in 1471 ad be did OTL, although given that was in battle to restore the Lancastrians in alliance with Margaret of Anjou, which we’re avoiding here, I assume. So, at by 1492, even if Cecily has avoided being married to John Welles in 1487/8, I don’t see a Yorkist rebellion going off successfully. The rebellion has got to go off before Henry has sons, I think, so if you still want to make a match between Warwick and Cecily, you have to find a way to kill off Anne and/or delay Henry and Elizabeth’s marriage.

I assume the Warwick @JonasResende is discussing would be Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick (1475-1499)- son of George Duke of Clarence and grandson of Warwick the Kingmaker (who died in 1471 at Barnet) and Anne Beauchamp (who died in 1492). IOTL Henry VII greatly feared his claim on the throne and kept him locked up from childhood, with a rebellion led by Lincoln that ostensibly supported Warwick (the figurehead of the revolt was Lambert Simnel, an impostor claiming to be Warwick) being defeated at the battle of Stoke in 1487.

I’m a little confused, are Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury still alive here? Because if not, I don’t see Richard willing to rule through Cecily’s kid. If Anne Neville is still alive, there’s still a chance they could try for another kid. They seem to have maybe had some fertility issues since Edward of Middleham was their only kid but Anne was only 28 when she died OTL. It’s not out of the question that she manages another kid.

Yeah, I meant in a scenario where Richard has still taken the throne and killed off the Princes in the Tower. You're right about Anne's youth and the possibility they might have a kid (or at least Richard believing it was a possibility).
 
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