Challenge: Non-Scandinavian Jutland

It's always annoyed me that Jutland, despite being attached to Germany rather than the Scandinavian Peninsula, is part of Scandinavia. How can we make it not?

I'm thinking it might work for it to be part of the Frankish realms...

Thoughts?
 
Well, it would almost certainly require a pre-1900 POD...
Hm, if I remember correctly, the original Denmark was Scania and Zeeland... Removing the Danish integration of Jylland could be done, I guess.
 
Well, it would almost certainly require a pre-1900 POD...
Hm, if I remember correctly, the original Denmark was Scania and Zeeland... Removing the Danish integration of Jylland could be done, I guess.

If the Jutes hadn't gone to England, would they have been able to resist Danish incursions?
 

Redbeard

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It's always annoyed me that Jutland, despite being attached to Germany rather than the Scandinavian Peninsula, is part of Scandinavia. How can we make it not?

I'm thinking it might work for it to be part of the Frankish realms...

Thoughts?

Oh dear - annoyed!?

But actually Jutland's Scandinavian connection is quite natural, we just have to forget our present times of highways and railroads.

In prehistoric times Jutland was separated from the continent by dense forrests and swamps making landward communication to the south rather tedious. The Scandinavian peninsula however was just across some easily navigated waters, and as every village owned a ship, Jutland and its inhabitors naturally became part of Scandinavia.

So for PoD's we could start with changing the landscape of pre-historic Holstein into an open plain - that ought to work.

A much later PoD could be 1864. Here the Prussians and Swedes apparently had some degree of contacts about a partition of Denmark - with Prussia getting Jutland. That would however not be a permanent "solution" - the idea of Denmark as a nation was long since born and both Prussia and Sweden would have troublesome years ahead.

Regards

Steffen Redbeard
 
A much later PoD could be 1864. Here the Prussians and Swedes apparently had some degree of contacts about a partition of Denmark - with Prussia getting Jutland. That would however not be a permanent "solution" - the idea of Denmark as a nation was long since born and both Prussia and Sweden would have troublesome years ahead.

Regards

Steffen Redbeard

How much of Denmark could be realistically annexed by Prussia, while still being able to call it "Denmark"? Is it possible for Denmark* to be nothing but the collection of islands around Copenhagen?
 
Well, it would almost certainly require a pre-1900 POD...
Hm, if I remember correctly, the original Denmark was Scania and Zeeland... Removing the Danish integration of Jylland could be done, I guess.
Yeah...

I didn't notice this was the wrong forum until just now.
 
You could have the Saxons decide to go north in the 6. century. Then Jutland would be part of Saxony when Charlemagne arrives.

Or have the Ottonians decide to keep Jutland once they take it in the 10. century.

Or have the Slavs on one of their raids in the 11. century decide to keep Jutland only to be replaced by the Holsteins/Saxons on the crusade to free the christian land of the Pagan.

Denmark without Jutland - an Insular Denmark focused on the Slavs raiding their southern shores.
 
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