Challenge: No capitalism or communism

Since the roots of these are both before 1900, it's quite justifiable putting this here even though its full effects will be felt later. I'm not too sure precisely how modern capitalism started or when, or what is meant by it (does it involve the system of bankingand financngventures? Or is even old-fashioned trade and tradesmanship counted as some form of capitalism?) Would communism indeed have started, in the sense of Marxist ideology, if there was no situation regarding workers in an industrial society? What alternatives might speculatively be possible (either resulting from a specific POD or not*)? Would we still be seeing a mainly agrarian society? Could industrialisation take place without capitalism?

*Would not doing so mean veering into ASB territory?
 
No capitalism? That would probably mean no Industrial Revolution. And communism cannot exist until capitalism has reached its peak, unless you count primitive communism.
 
Christian Communitarianism
Christian Communitariansm comes about in the 1500's with the result of John Calvin speaking about the wrongs of selling goods for profits only. This impacts Calvinists in many ways, and Capitalism is extinguished in the Netherlands, Scotland, southern France and some small German principalities.
This type of Calvinism states that all Christian workers shall unite to form Guilds, that try to help the poor and sell to them much cheaper, even if it means the loss of profit. The leaders of these guilds shall be elected in much of the same power structures that exist in Calvinist churches(Ushers, Laymen etc.), but with regards to labor.
These communities are generally successful and even though Aristocrats hate this, some start to like it, when they see how almost none of the begars are starving to death because of the Christian Guild Co-Ops giving out food for free, while charging more to the Rich. In 1604 when Henry comes to power in France and he converts to Catholicism, he keeps the tradition of Christian Guilds owning labor, with the guide of Church leaders. This economy spreads over France, with bad reactions from Catholic clergy, leading to another small civil war in France.
In the end most of the begars affected by the giving out of free food, purchesed by guilds, try to pay them back with labor. A system emerges in La Rochelle, that becomes the model for a less fundamentalist, Guild Economy, relying more on Economics, than Capitalism. This becomes popular in Catholic countries, and soon Co-Op guilds become the main form of economy in Navarra, and Barcelona.
The Catholic Clergy and even the Pope condone these Co-Ops, as anti-Christian. The Calvinists become enraged, and almost every member of a "secularized" Co-Op, becomes a Calvinist. The Spanish Government tries to squash guilds in Barcelona and Navarra. Riots break out and the Guilds uses its Iron Forges to produce arms to fight against the Spanish Militia tries to confiscate their "property", and sell it to good Catholics, most likely part of the Aristocracy. In Navara, and Barcelona, the Spanish Militias are crushed by the Guilds in a large street battles. Civil War is eminent, with a Calvinist Minority against a Catholic Majority.

I will update this more and go into detail with it soon. This is just a general idea of how neither Communism or Capitlism exists in modern times.
 
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Christian Communitarianism
Christian Communitariansm comes about in the 1500's with the result of John Calvin speaking about the wrongs of selling goods for profits only. This impacts Calvinists in many ways, and Capitalism is extinguished in the Netherlands, Scotland, southern France and some small German principalities.
This type of Calvinism states that all Christian workers shall unite to form Guilds, that try to help the poor and sell to them much cheaper, even if it means the loss of profit. The leaders of these guilds shall be elected in much of the same power structures that exist in Calvinist churches(Ushers, Laymen etc.), but with regards to labor.
These communities are generally successful and even though Aristocrats hate this, some start to like it, when they see how almost none of the begars are starving to death because of the Christian Guild Co-Ops giving out food for free, while charging more to the Rich. In 1604 when Henry comes to power in France and he converts to Catholicism, he keeps the tradition of Christian Guilds owning labor, with the guide of Church leaders. This economy spreads over France, with bad reactions from Catholic clergy, leading to another small civil war in France.
In the end most of the begars affected by the giving out of free food, purchesed by guilds, try to pay them back with labor. A system emerges in La Rochelle, that becomes the model for a less fundamentalist, Guild Economy, relying more on Economics, than Capitalism. This becomes popular in Catholic countries, and soon Co-Op guilds become the main form of economy in Navarra, and Barcelona.
The Catholic Clergy and even the Pope condone these Co-Ops, as anti-Christian. The Calvinists become enraged, and almost every member of a "secularized" Co-Op, becomes a Calvinist. The Spanish Government tries to squash guilds in Barcelona and Navarra. Riots break out and the Guilds uses its Iron Forges to produce arms to fight against the Spanish Militia tries to confiscate their "property", and sell it to good Catholics, most likely part of the Aristocracy. In Navara, and Barcelona, the Spanish Militias are crushed by the Guilds in a large street battles. Civil War is eminent, with a Calvinist Minority against a Catholic Majority.

I will update this more and go into detail with it soon. This is just a general idea of how neither Communism or Capitlism exists in modern times.

I like the sound of this system! (Not big on Calvinism per se though.)
 
Communism is an ideology, and thus can be replaced by another ideology fairly easily (though socialist/communitarian ideals will noit just go away since they seem to be hardwired into the human psyche). BUt capitalism will need some defining. If you mean ideologically (i.e. the modern ideal of capitalism as an adjunct of liberal democracy), you would need to mess with political economy around the middle of the eighteenth century. Have a religiously informed or mercantilist thought system arise, and you have it. But capitalism as an economic system - economic power by the owners of capital-intensive means of production over the operatprs of these means - is not going to be easily replaced if you have any kind of urban, monetised economy.
 
I'm guessing you mean Capitalism in the Adam Smith vein and not the entire concept- or else we'd have to keep people down in tribes that do little more then bartering (if anything). But then maybe even that could be counted as capitalism if you stretch the definition...

You really would have to cripple technology or have some sort of absolute dictatorship beyond anything ever seen before...Uber feudalism?- with the whole world united in one system of course otherwise the top dogs would be capitalist with each other....
 
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