Challenge: Most Violent Post-Cold War Europe

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by RandomWriterGuy, May 1, 2019.

  1. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    The Yugoslav and Ukrainian wars were pretty bad already for Europe post-Cold War. However, could it been possible for Europe after the Cold War been more violent? Realistically of course. The scenarios can have roots during the protest movements of the late-80s if needed (e.g. armed conflicts in Poland and Romania when anti-Soviet protests break down into chaos). And how does this impact the rest of history?
     
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  2. History Learner Well-Known Member

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    Romanian-Hungarian conflict comes to mind.
     
  3. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    You mean a conflict surrounding the Hungarians in Romania? That would be interesting.
     
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  4. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    Events in Catalonia turns as Catalan Independence War.

    And perhaps you can escalate Yugoslavian Civil War.
     
  5. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    So basically a more recalcitrant fascist Spain raises hell.

    About Yugoslavia, how else? IMO outside of an Albanian invasion of Kosovo I don’t see how else it could’ve gotten worse barring NATO intervention.
     
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    IMO, you not only need to screw the Eastern Bloc but you also need to screw the West. You need to make the West so weak that it would be unable to intervene in any conflict in the former Soviet sphere. With the West so weak, the Soviets/Russians could try to crack down on the secessionists. The Yugoslav wars could escalate into a confusing mess. Maybe Albania invades Kosovo leading to a Serb-Macedonian-Greek alliance to contain Albanian irredentism, in turn leading to a Greco-Turkish war that nobody in the West can stop.
     
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  7. Oberleutnant Right-Wing Reactionary

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    Like Big Blue Box mentioned, a Soviet crackdown on Eastern European protests ca. 1989 that escalates into a half-continent-wide Hungary '56, with the armies of the subjugated WARPACT nations rebelling against their Soviet masters would be a decent one. There was a TL titled Crisis in the Kremlin to that effect.

    A civil war in the USSR as a result of the 1991 August Coup gone bad, or even more likely a civil war in post-Soviet Russia after an even worse Black October '93 as seems to be occurring in Spiraling Out of Control would also be a pretty quick way to turn a large swath of Eastern Europe into bloody battleground
     
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    In My timeline-A Summers Day in 199 where the 1999 Kosovo War turns into a NATO-Russia confrontation is a possible one. Although I haven’t got very far with it yet so won’t say much.

    Why did the August coup actually fail? I know it’s a question that’s probably been asked ad nauseam but I never quite understood the reasons.

    I take it a post-coup civil war would eventually lead to NATO involvement?
     
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  9. GeorgeUK Massively Multiplayer Contributor

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    Zhirinovsky's Russian Empire?
     
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  10. tallthinkev In a band Donor

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    If the west was much weaker what would stop the downfall of the WP, and the USSR in the first place?
     
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  11. BigBlueBox Well-Known Member

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    You mean cause? Self-inflicted economic wounds.
     
  12. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    Then wouldn’t it create a less violent Europe through Soviet control?

    Albania’s invasion of Kosovo or another Greco-Turkish war would also be plausible too.

    I could also imagine the Eastern bloc nations going to war with each other over various territories as well. Like Romania invading Moldavia or Bulgaria invading Macedonia.
     
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    Bump.
     
  14. lukedalton Well-Known Member

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    Well we can have a war between Greece and Turkey due to Cyprus and the Aegean dispute and the Jugoslavian wars escalate to include Bulgaria, Albania and Hungary; a very nationalistic goverment in Romania can intervene in Moldavia and begin a conflict with Hungary regarding Transylvania.
    Spain and Morocco dispute can go hot due to a miscalculation and Belgium can have a brief time of violent civil unrest that can bring his break up
     
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  15. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    Not sure about Belgium TBH. I would see Spain and Morocco go to war. Greece and Turkey as well. Having Bulgaria, Albania, and Hungary intervene would be interesting. And a Romanian invasion of Moldavia would require a more recalcitrant USSR.
     
  16. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a war between Poland, Ukraine and Belarus over territory stolen by the Soviet Union during World War II and then given to those countries when they were Soviet republics? A three-way war in the shambles of the USSR is bound to become a bloodbath very soon.
     
  17. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    What kinds of territories would they go for? At most, we'd see Ukraine VS Moldavia & Romania, Hungary & Albania & Bulgaria VS Yugoslavia, and possible Romanian annexation of Moldavia and possible conflict in Transnistria.
     
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  18. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    I see a conflict happening between Poland VS Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine over these territories. From Wikipedia.

    It should be noted that in some cases after the war, Poland got some of it's territory from the Byelorussian Soviet Republic, but not all of it.
     
  19. RandomWriterGuy Bernie Sanders Hindsight 2020

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    Sounds something a super nationalist government would do.
     
  20. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    Poles are a famously proud and nationalist people. I think if history was different and Eastern Europe went further down into chaos, a government like that could rise in Poland.
     
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