Challenge: Most Anti-Family State Possible?

rgely because there were much less
Not really-I bet you will not find a reliable source on that. What happened is that it was not as documented as well as in regards to Germany.

The Nazis, believing most of their territories were popular with racially lesser stock, strictly discouraged inter-breeding in many areas.
Theory and practice make two different things. Also rape doesn't need to result in birth.
. In non-aryan regions, though, it was common practice to bring willing German women to the front so that the soldiers could relieve themselves and contribute to Aryan births instead of "diluting the race".

The extraordinary brutality in the East, for example, was coupled with strict discipline and indoctrination on this topic. Though the level of violence must have made rape much more likely than in the west, soldiers who practiced it were severely punished - not because of any moral issues, but because of the danger of creating half-breeds. I remember reading about a specific situation where a german soldier was lashed for it, and then ordered to kill an Ukrainian woman he had sex with, in case she was now pregnant. I suspect the off-side of this coin was that women slated to die anyway were much more likely to be raped first

This is a very broad misconception. The race laws were not observed in the East, and German soldiers frequently raped and established brothels there, in fact there is nothing to show that it were German women they sought-they readily used local women for that. And what may surprise you even more-Jewish women were raped and sexually abused as well. Even SS in concentration and death camps was known to take part in such crimes.

I recommend reading :
http://www.swinginhepcats.com/World_War_II/Victims_Heroes_Survivors.html
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Victims, Heroes, Survivors: Sexual Violence on the Eastern Front During World War II, PhD, University of Minnesota, 2004 by Wendy Jo Gertjejanssen.

[/FONT]
Sexual assault, often by an intoxicated perpetrator, was a ubiquitous threat across the eastern front, primarily to women and girls, but also to men and boys caught in the crossfire between the Germans, the Soviets, and partisans. Unarmed civilians, camp inmates, and others were touched by sexual violence during World War II. Fear and rumors existed, but for thousands of people sexual violence clearly was a reality. Because of the absence of detailed studies of individual communities on the topic of sexual violence in the east, I investigate a wide geographical range and explore camp and non-camp settings, and the experiences of Jews and Christian Slavs and Balts. My conclusions are broad in scope and based on a wide variety of sources. In addition to documenting a large system of military brothels under the German occupation, I found a variety of evidence for mass rape of east Europeans both during and after the German occupation, and further evidence of sexual abuse inside and outside of camps. I argue that 1) in many instances, gender transcended race, culture, or religion since females of all backgrounds, including Jews, became victims of sexual violence; 2) that alcohol significantly contributed to the sexual violence, 3) that German racial laws did not reflect the sexual reality in the east, and finally, 4) that sexual desire or the desire for some kind of sexual activity often played a significant role in the motivation to rape. In addition to contributing to the dearth of scholarship on the gendered experience of World War II for Russians and east Europeans under German occupation, I challenge three major interpretations: 1) The view that only race, and not gender, mattered in Nazi persecutions, 2) that Jewish women were only incidentally victims of sexual violence; and 3) that the motivation to rape is only about power and not sexual desire.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT]
An excellent source on the practice of rape by Wehrmacht in the East, that shows how reality contradicted the Nazi theory.
 
As for Marx, he is correct. The left is often accused of being anti-family for trying to relieve the symptoms (by daycare, social help etc), but its not they who create the disease.

Well I suppose that's only in the sense that the state tries to provide the sort of help that would otherwise have been left to other family members in the past- same as, I suppose, other big-government ideas often looked down on by the right-wing. I also think you are confusing things- Marxism is not the same as your socialdemoocratic welfare-state type model typical of post-war Britain and the like. In practice it was far more extreme, and less good at actually providing quite such a decent level of help IMO.

The idealized family life is in our late times only available for the wealthy. The right-wingers that screams most about the defense of the family, are the very same people destroying it.

I gues that depends on what you mean by "wealthy" and "idealised family life". Or whether some can be better off than expected simply down to a lack of overt materialism, which I think is to blame partially for the instistece of "work ueber alles". I've known a few Christian friends to be perfectly fine, and only the man of the family works (then again, they probably have reasonably well-paying jobs- but are not "wealthy" by any means.)

I'm not sure how you think the right-wing are destroying things.
 
Ugly soldiers seldom get laid.

(And I'm not the one writing a TL called apartheid superpower.)

It's not Ind who's writing the TL, it's me. Let's give credit where credit is due.

And guess how the timeline gets? The U.S. and its allies lay the Afrikaner Confederation in ruins.

The point of it is that freer societies that don't put obstacles in the way of people developing their talents are going to dominate.
 
It's not Ind who's writing the TL, it's me. Let's give credit where credit is due.

And guess how the timeline gets? The U.S. and its allies lay the Afrikaner Confederation in ruins.

I was wondering how the heck he confused the two of us.

It's not like our views are that similar...our names, or anything else.
 
Top