Challenge: Minorities are politically conservative

Thatcherite Tory minorities? You are hereby welcomed into the Conservative/Republican Party. As foot soldiers the objective is to place California's 54 ECV in the GOP column.
 
Conservatives, for all their resort to populism at election time, generally tend to be about preserving the ruling elites' hold on power, and more generally the social status quo. That is unlikely to endear them to minorities, for whom a priority is precisely to change the social status quo so that they can improve their position in it.

It depends on which minorities, Asians do quite well in the US.
 
Yes, if you improve voters' economic status, they generally vote for you. The strange thing was that the beneficiaries of the Big Bang didn't vote Tory. Since young stockbrokers don't appear to fit in the red-hot category, can someone explain that?:confused:
 
Conservatives, for all their resort to populism at election time, generally tend to be about preserving the ruling elites' hold on power, and more generally the social status quo. That is unlikely to endear them to minorities, for whom a priority is precisely to change the social status quo so that they can improve their position in it.

Yes, but either side will tell groups of people what they want to hear in order to get into power. It isn't about action so much as rhetoric during the campaign, as I'm sure you're well aware.
 

Hendryk

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It depends on which minorities, Asians do quite well in the US.
They weren't doing all that well when they were subjected to discriminatory legislation. Anti-Asian racism used to be rife in the US, and I doubt many of them miss those days when "traditional values" included keeping the Chinks in their place.
 
Memories are short in that regard. It was veteran PM Mackenzie King of Berlin (Kitchener), Ontario who drafted the "White Middle-Class Northern Europeans only/Commonwealth" policy.
 
They weren't doing all that well when they were subjected to discriminatory legislation. Anti-Asian racism used to be rife in the US, and I doubt many of them miss those days when "traditional values" included keeping the Chinks in their place.

That was what? 50 or more years ago?
 
Conservatives, for all their resort to populism at election time, generally tend to be about preserving the ruling elites' hold on power, and more generally the social status quo. That is unlikely to endear them to minorities, for whom a priority is precisely to change the social status quo so that they can improve their position in it.

If conservative political leaders, through economic policy, can allow minorities middle-class status, then social liberalism takes second place. That should be the GOP's argument today. It has precedent, for both Nixon and RFK advocated that in the '68 race. See below. Now as for implementation: "Doesn't Panetta know...".

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,841235,00
 

Ibn Warraq

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They weren't doing all that well when they were subjected to discriminatory legislation. Anti-Asian racism used to be rife in the US, and I doubt many of them miss those days when "traditional values" included keeping the Chinks in their place.


People can be the victims of discrimination in the past and still be conservative. Moreover, the vast majority of Asian Americans came to the US long after this discrimation was over.

Most Korean Americans probably aren't even aware of what 19th Century Chinese immigrants faced and Korean Americans overwhelmingly vote Republican.
 
Umm. They ended up having about, or slightly more, no votes than the White community did.

You seem to have this chronic habit of being wrong on things like this. It's really odd. http://www.sacbee.com/elections/story/1372009.html

I said half and half which the statistics said so.

People can be the victims of discrimination in the past and still be conservative. Moreover, the vast majority of Asian Americans came to the US long after this discrimation was over.

Most Korean Americans probably aren't even aware of what 19th Century Chinese immigrants faced and Korean Americans overwhelmingly vote Republican.

Hmm interesting do you have any articles on the latter part?
 
Well, d'uh--while the discrimination was in place, they weren't allowed to immigrate.

And as Ibn was trying to point out, the fact that their ancestors weren't allowed to immigrate to the US in the past doesn't prevent current Korean-Americans from voting conservatively.
 

Ibn Warraq

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Well, d'uh--while the discrimination was in place, they weren't allowed to immigrate.

My point was two-fold. First, most Asian-Americans don't really feel some sort of connection to the discrimination that occurred in the past. Few Chinese or Korean Americans probably know or care about it.

Second of all, I'm not sure how concerned most Asian-Americans are about the discrimination faced by Asian-Americans of a different ethnic group.

For example, The Village Voice did a terrific article right after Senator Alphonse D'Amato went on the radio and did a parody of Judge Lance Ito speaking with a fake Japanese accent. The article pointed out that despite this, D'Amato had extremely high approval ratings from Asian-Americans in New York and continued to get huge amounts of money from them.

The reason was because most Asian-American New Yorkers were first generation Chinese and Korean Americans who for reasons you're probably far more aware than I am, were the least likely people in America to care about perceived slights towards Japanese Americans.

Moreover, it pointed out that Asian-Americans overwhelmingly voted Republican because most tended to be socially conservative, didn't like putting a lot of regulations on small businesses and tended to be strongly supportive of law and order.

Obviously, things have changed somewhat, mostly due to the Democrats' move to the right on such issues.

Anyway, my point is lot's of minorities are very conservative. Nor is it just Vietnamese, Chinese, and Korean Americans. Cuban Americans also tend to be solidly Republican.
 

Ibn Warraq

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And the idea that many Blacks voted for Obama because he was Black is ridiculous.

Um no, the idea that many Blacks DIDN'T vote for Obama because he was Black is ridiculous.

Throughout the various democratic party primaries, Obama got 90% of the black vote, a percentage one usually only gets in elections in totalitarian dictatorships.

Does anyone seriously think that if Obama was white he'd still have gotten such a huge percentage of the black vote against Hillary or the other Democratic challengers?

Hell, this was the first time that blacks chose the insurgent candidate over the establishment candidate. Blacks flocked to Gore over Bradley in 2000, and shunned both Brown in 92 and Dean in 04. Why do people think that is?

Obviously, this doesn't mean blacks voted out of racism but to say that they didn't vote for Obama because he was black is laughable.
 
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