Challenge: Make the Netherlands big

Make the Netherlands by 2009 as large as possible with a PoD as late as possible, preferably after 1800. A map would be nice too. ^_^
 
1810's-Napoleon includes all of Frisia in his Kingdom of the Netherlands.
1830's-Belgium loses its war of independence.
1900's-The British lose in South Africa as an expensive counterinsurgency campaign becomes unpopular at home. A democratic NZA becomes part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands as blacks recognize they must be under the protection of some European power or get colonized.
1930's-A Socialist government rules. They recongize the USSR and buy guns from them.
1940-Adolf Hitler is decisively defeated by a Franco-Dutch alliance. The Netherlands gets a bit more territory.
1960's-Indonesia is lost.
Present-10x bigger.

That's it. Without a gigantic population increase nothing else can be done.
 
Why can't they keep Indonesia? They repulsed the Germans, which would allow them more time and resources against the Japanese.
 
Keeping Indonesia after Max Haveland was published was difficult to justify and Indonesia's independence movement was well organized.
 
Keeping Indonesia after Max Haveland was published was difficult to justify and Indonesia's independence movement was well organized.

Even if it was well organized, there would be a huge morale boost from beating the Nazis, which would cause the KNIL to swell in size and more motivated; not even to mention the fact that this would have given them an excuse for an Anglo-Dutch force to basically conquer the entire Pacific (making the Netherlands even bigger)
 
Even if it was well organized, there would be a huge morale boost from beating the Nazis, which would cause the KNIL to swell in size and more motivated; not even to mention the fact that this would have given them an excuse for an Anglo-Dutch force to basically conquer the entire Pacific (making the Netherlands even bigger)

I thought the U.S.A. more or less forced the Netherlands to give up Indonesia because they were anti-colonization and almost al other countries had given up their colonies by then. So in order to let the Netherlands keep Indonesia, the U.S.A. should have either no might or no anti-colonization policy.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I thought the U.S.A. more or less forced the Netherlands to give up Indonesia because they were anti-colonization and almost al other countries had given up their colonies by then. So in order to let the Netherlands keep Indonesia, the U.S.A. should have either no might or no anti-colonization policy.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Its a fact that the USA eventually forced the Dutch out in favor of the Indonesian nationalist parties rule. And with the WWII being ended with a Franco-Dutch victory the USA does not have a say in all of this.
 

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Even if it was well organized, there would be a huge morale boost from beating the Nazis, which would cause the KNIL to swell in size and more motivated; not even to mention the fact that this would have given them an excuse for an Anglo-Dutch force to basically conquer the entire Pacific (making the Netherlands even bigger)

Ha! Classic Armchair Imperialism.
 
william of orange makes the stadtholdership hereditary.
bingo, the ntherlands just took over britain. this would be HUGE. (OTL british empire + USA + Dutch empire.)
 
Wait. I just realize the only PoD neccesary is to make Stadhouder Willem III straight. :p He married Mary II, but they didn't get any children because Willem was secretly homosexual, which wasn't really accepted in the 17th century. If Mary would have given birth to a son, he would have become the Stadhouder of most of the Dutch provinces and king of England, just like Willem was.

But that would be a wank to big. :p

@Canadian Federation: Luxembourg was in personal union with the Netherlands but declared independence as late as 1890 because when king Willem III (not the same guy as the stadhouder :p) died and Wilhelmina became queen. The Luxembourgian constitution didn't allow a female had of state back then.
 
Wait. I just realize the only PoD neccesary is to make Stadhouder Willem III straight. :p He married Mary II, but they didn't get any children because Willem was secretly homosexual, which wasn't really accepted in the 17th century. If Mary would have given birth to a son, he would have become the Stadhouder of most of the Dutch provinces and king of England, just like Willem was.

But that would be a wank to big. :p

@Canadian Federation: Luxembourg was in personal union with the Netherlands but declared independence as late as 1890 because when king Willem III (not the same guy as the stadhouder :p) died and Wilhelmina became queen. The Luxembourgian constitution didn't allow a female had of state back then.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. :)
 
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