Challenge: Make Nazi Germany the chief supporter of Israel in Palestine

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zoomar

Self Explanatory. Starting no earlier than 1933 create a timeline in which National Socialist Germany supports the founding of a Zionist state in Palestine and becomes its chief supporter. No need to presume WW2 ever happens in this TL
 

Kelenas

Hm... some variant of the Madagascar plan, where the Nazis lend their support to hardcore Zionists, so they'll have a place to send their unwanted Jews to?

Or maybe Hitler, in a stroke of "Genius" comes to the conclusion that having an actual nation for themselves would keep all those Jewish "conspirators" and "plotters" too busy to meddle in the affairs of other nations?

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black angel

black angel

at first they wanted to forcibly move all the Jews in Europe some where, any where, else, went they saw that wasn't going to happen, killing them became the plan, the idea of Israel where the Jews want and under their own control wouldn't be their favorite idea, but its not all that out there they'd deport all their Jews to Palestine or something.
 

Deleted member 1487

Pretty much OTL, but not have the war happen. Germany actively supports Jewish settlement of Palestine more so than it already did OTL. They could use neutral shipping to send ships filled with Jewish families to the British Mandate, train and fund them to destabilize the Brits in the region and sit back and laugh as their opponent has to waste treasure and blood dealing with the blow back.
 
MrP

MrP

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As wiking says, the Nazis (or factions of, rather) did want to dump their Jews in Israel (or wherever). The SS, for instance, only gave up on this because the British blocked them.
 

MerryPrankster

I think there were plans suggested by some Nazis to establish a puppet Jewish state in Palestine and raise SS legions there.

I think there's where Kratman got the idea for the "Legion Judas Maccabeus" in his Posleen novels.
 

Keenir

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zoomar said:
Self Explanatory. Starting no earlier than 1933 create a timeline in which National Socialist Germany supports the founding of a Zionist state in Palestine and becomes its chief supporter. No need to presume WW2 ever happens in this TL
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use the Stern Gang.
 
black angel

black angel

King Thomas said:
SS Jewish legions? :p
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read this book:

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its kick ass.
 

cclittle

Less Resources Expended.

Oddly this works in the Nazis favor. With memembers of " inferior groups" volenteering to leave Germany the Nazis expend less reources exterminateing them. Germany preforms better in the war.
 

The Third Man

While it seems pretty impossible when you first read the topic (supporter of Israel, which implies Zionism) All you really have to do is switch the Madagascar Plan with the "ISRAEL PLAN" to make sense.

The Madagascar Plan had been around LONG before Hitler (with the same purpose as well), so maybe the POD is that in 1932 Madagascar sinks. :)


EDIT: Also guys just wondering, did the Nazi Party ever had a relocation plan for if infact they DIDN'T win the war? I read the Omega Files, but in all honesty it doesn't seem to be the most reliable source. Like would they run a better Werewolf government, and all move to some South American country?
 

octaviuz

cclittle said:
Oddly this works in the Nazis favor. With memembers of " inferior groups" volenteering to leave Germany the Nazis expend less reources exterminateing them. Germany preforms better in the war.
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So there's Israel, the Soviet Union and either San Francisco or West Hollywood but where would the Gypsies go?

*Yes I know part of that is anachronistic, humor sometimes is*
 

Wendell

This could have interesting consequences for the Axis in the Near East and North Africa. What borders would the Nazis support for their client state?
 

Starseed

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Well the Weirmarcht was upgraded three times before the end of the war. If German had held off on invading the UK and Russia, it might survive. I would say holding off and then using surplus equipment to invade Palastine (a Nazi Bay of Pigs, but successful) if they somehow keep the French Ships alive, or not pissing off the UK can sail the German fleet into the Med. (Also they need actual German ports in the Med.) I can see a pincer movement attacking the Suez Canal from both sides.)
 

aktarian

zoomar said:
Self Explanatory. Starting no earlier than 1933 create a timeline in which National Socialist Germany supports the founding of a Zionist state in Palestine and becomes its chief supporter. No need to presume WW2 ever happens in this TL
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This plan is followed
 
Cook

Cook

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Starseed said:
Well the Weirmarcht was upgraded three times before the end of the war. If German had held off on invading the UK and Russia, it might survive. I would say holding off and then using surplus equipment to invade Palastine (a Nazi Bay of Pigs, but successful) if they somehow keep the French Ships alive, or not pissing off the UK can sail the German fleet into the Med. (Also they need actual German ports in the Med.) I can see a pincer movement attacking the Suez Canal from both sides.)
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Doctor, more medication here please.
:p
 

DuQuense

If you kill off Under Minister Churchill before 1920 - His 1921 White Paper calling for the limiting of Jewish Immigration to Palestine will not be written.
Without British limitations, The Nazis encourage mass Emigration of the Jews in Germany.
 

Jord839

I think another thing to keep in mind would be Nazi racial ideas about Arabs, which escape me at this moment. Were they viewed as negatively as other groups? While I can't think up a POD that has a drastic enough effect to allow this and I seriously doubt it's possible as late as 1933, I can't picture the average Nazi disapproving of two "inferior races" killing each other and distracting the British as a side effect without Germany having to use much resources to cause it.
 
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