Challenge: Make Hitler Communist

They may come back too once the war is over. Again, all in the butterflies, but likely, it will balance out to be about the same as OTL, if not more because of the lack of brain drain.
 
Communist Germany?

Hmm... Kill FDR in 1933 , with a combination of increasingly ineffectual governments in France/ Britain and Trotsky winning the power struggle..

Red Revolution all over Europe.

Killing FDR in 1933 would present serious problems for the USA. For one thing, if we're going by the OTL assassination attempt succeeding, there might be a constitutional crisis, since John Garner is not Vice President, but Vice President-elect. But without Roosevelt things may be tougher in the United States. I'm not sure how removing FDR affects European countries directly, so the second part I'm very doubtful about. The final part is essentially impossible.
 
That was... really easy. Damn. But actually, why wasn't he accepted? I thought his art was either average or below average but I could be wrong.
I found some pictures of Hitler paintings here. Judge for yourself.

Personally I think the landscapes & buildings are quite good, the dogs are less good but still good, the flowers are bad (they look either half-dead or fake) and the people are shit.
 
I found some pictures of Hitler paintings here. Judge for yourself.

Personally I think the landscapes & buildings are quite good, the dogs are less good but still good, the flowers are bad (they look either half-dead or fake) and the people are shit.

I had a conversation with someone once about the psychological possibilities of his apparent inability to paint people, connecting it with his pure wickedness. Interesting talk, though, admittedly, I think we were stoned.

At any rate...

Listen Killer, it's an interesting concept and one which does get explored here from time to time but plausibility is a pet peeve on this site and you're going to have to get used to that.

Hitler, like probably most people in that area at that time, was essentially a racist and an anti-Semite and was these things in an era in which it was not absurd or frowned upon to be so.

Your non-racist Hitler is an admirable quest, but sadly, it is very implausible. Being flexible with your OP challenge is also something you'll have to get used to here - and you'll be glad for it eventually when more interesting conversations (rather than arguments) become the result.

That being said, the holocaust is NOT inevitable. Hitler hating Jews probably is but the holocaust is not. So if the prime directive of the non-racist clause was to avoid the holocaust, then you must know it can be done without making Red Hitler the ultra-tolerant carebear that you are demanding and that posters here aren't buying.

Secondly, the German Revolutions in 1918 and 1919 were doomed to fail and no amount of young Hitlers can change that. Hitler being a young ultra-Nationalist AND beginning to convert to Communist/Socialist principles at or around this time is not impossible but him getting involved in the Revolutions will probably hurt him in the long run.

The best options presented here thus far have been the ones concerning a more Communist-friendly Hitler embracing the Socialist part of National Socialist more readily and being more influenced by the Strassers. If this is done early enough, the Nazi Party of OTL, albeit more Strasserist, could even receive some Soviet support (in spite of its Nationalism) during its violent rise to power and take control even more impressively than OTL (though differently, obviously: commie-hating will be off the propagandist menu).

If Communists and Nationalists can be united under a Redder Hitler, then you have a plausible and interesting scenario for such a WI. He's still going to hate Jews but he may not massacre them. He's still going to be an asshole who annexes and invades his way into a second World War, maybe even on the side of the Soviets during a blown up Winter War scenario...

...hmmm...

...I like that.

It is the single darkest World War II imaginable with the coolest propaganda art.

Either way, you should probably relax the rules a little bit on this one so that everyone can offer plausible and interesting scenarios without a thread derailment.
 
Okay, let me make something clear. The point of him not being racist is to avoid widespread pograms(i.e. the Holocaust. Does he have to be a devout anti-racist? Of course not, nobody is. I think some people may be over thinking some of my expectations.

Besides that, I have no problem with the revolution happening later. But... the national socialism part being more Socialist I don't know how it would work. Keep in mind, another part of him not being racist is the idealogy not being blantely racist. Its okay for him to still be, but less so over all, and it can't show up in his policies.
 
Maybe someone has brought this up, but Hitler personally convinced Goebbels to join the Nazi Party, as previously he was a socialist. Would it be plausible for Hitler to be convinced by Goebbels to emphasize the socialist part of National Socialism more so? That might lead to a truly socialist Nazi state, with anti-Semitism in a big way, but in a "abandon your faith and you're okay" anti-Semitism as opposed to a "gas chamber" anti-Semitism.
 
Except that no one would believe that. The Dolchstosslegende was a complete lie, but it at least had the patina of truth because it was the Social Democratic government which accepted the surrender and Ebert foolishly agreed to not explain that the military was in agreement that they could not win the war. That allowed the military to completely avoid responsibility. Thus the Social Democrats and the whole Weimar system became to blame.

At no point were the "greedy capitalists" or "old nobility" thought to blame for preventing a German victory.

Hitler did not create the Dolchstosslegende, he just exploited it better than some of the other nationalist/conservative parties.

Hmm so might it be more plausible that he blame the Republic as a corrupt demorcatic entity? My understanding of the time is that the idea of democracy was not trusted in Germany at the time, though I'm slightly skeptical of that notion myself.
 
Again, Hitler could shift the blame to them, if given time. Now, that's the main problem. Hitler needs time to develop his oratal skills, along with figuring out how to exploit feelings from Versaills for Communism.
 
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