Challenge: Make France and Germany powerfull AND friendly

Challenge.

How to make France and Germany both powerfull nation in the same time ? And to make them ally ?

Bonus if France get the rhine border. Germany can have all she can want in the east.


(escuse my language, english isn't my first.:eek:)
 

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Honestly that is a hard one. The only logical thing I can think of is that Germany doesn't take Alsace-Lorraine after the Franco-Prussian war. Instead it takes some colonies and a large indemnity after the war and makes active overtures to her after the war to smooth over relations. There will be some bad blood for a while no doubt, but not as ugly as OTL. Revanche wouldn't exist or not at least as we know it. Perhaps Bismarck is successful in renewing the deal with Russia, keeping France from having a large ally and they realize working with Germany is better?

Honestly, it would probably take the Fashoda turning hot and Germany coming to France's aid, seeing her as an ally against Britain, her new enemy. Without Alsace-Lorraine bogging down reconciliation, perhaps France and Germany see the British empire as a target for expansion, working with Russia at the same time to press in on Central Asia. It is far fetched but not impossible, though I can't see how Britain would not strive its hardest to prevent this nightmare scenario from happening.
 
Bismarck giving Austria a harsh peace (like France OTL), France a light peace (like Austria OTL), and then going after Austria with Russia and maybe Italy to partition it, leaving a rump Hungary. But that would require a POD in Bismarck's thinking since he didn't want a grossdeutchland. However, if a grossdeutchland does happen Bismarck could eventually realize that since Germany is the most powerful state in Europe, it doesn't need colonies and could back up France's colonial adventures.

Honestly, it would probably take the Fashoda turning hot and Germany coming to France's aid, seeing her as an ally against Britain, her new enemy. Without Alsace-Lorraine bogging down reconciliation, perhaps France and Germany see the British empire as a target for expansion, working with Russia at the same time to press in on Central Asia. It is far fetched but not impossible, though I can't see how Britain would not strive its hardest to prevent this nightmare scenario from happening.

Britain would do everything and anything to prevent a Franco-German-Russian Alliance.
 
In 1815 the powers decided to not give France such an easy peace. Alsace-Loraine was again made part of the German Bund. After the war of 1870/71 Germany does not demand further territories only demand acceptance of the border.
 
In 1815 the powers decided to not give France such an easy peace. Alsace-Loraine was again made part of the German Bund. After the war of 1870/71 Germany does not demand further territories only demand acceptance of the border.

Butterflies, anybody? This is going to have a major effect well before 1870.
 

Susano

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Bonapartist Holland survives while Napoleon falls, unites Germany, and yet Napoleon III (with his older brother Louis surviving) still becomes Emperor of the French. For while, Germany and France are reigned by brothers.

...what? Whyre youre all looking at me like that? :D
 

Markus

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Challenge.

How to make France and Germany both powerfull nation in the same time ? And to make them ally ?

Bonus if France get the rhine border. Germany can have all she can want in the east.


(escuse my language, english isn't my first.:eek:)

Hmm, the letter O, T and L come to my mind. :D Meaning you pretty much describe the situation from 1949 to today.
 
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