Challenge: Having the Soviet Union annex Mongolia

Angel Heart

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We all know that in OTL Mongolia was so dependent from the Soviet Union that it almost counted as a Soviet Republic.
What should have happened if we 're to have a Mongolian SSR to become a reality? And what might be the consequences if the USSR had a larger Border with the PRC?
And when would have been the best POD for this? During the Interwar era? WW2? Or during the Sino-Soviet Split?

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Certainly the interwar era.

Maybe have Ungern-Sternberg be more successful, promoting stronger and more direct intervention by the Soviets, with a healthy respect for the Mongols i.e. they can't afford to leave them semi-independent.

Once they've beaten the Baron, they can take as much Mongolia as they want, it's not like the Chinese can do a whole lot about it.
 
Certainly the interwar era.
I guess we need to look for more confrontational attitude toward USSR after 1922 for it to become true. IOTL it was almost like some kind of agreement existed between Powers and USSR that former would let USSR live and latter would not be too brash. It lead to Stalin following pre-1917 agreements on Russian spheres of influence to a "t". He even kept this abomination of "Independet Tuvan republic" until 1944 on the ground that it wasn't Russian Empire pre-1917. So, one needs him to not feel encumbered by 1911 Russo-Chinese agreement to annex Mongolia, and the easiest way to achieve it would be an "everyone grabs what they can" attitude.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Weaker Mongolian communists causing the Russians to think the Mongolians can't manage an own state?? Perhaps the Red Mongolians would need Soviet support to suppress a rebellion in the early 20's, and the USSR just annexed Mongolia after that.
 
Öne thing would be different, the Soviets would have moved Russians into Mongolia.
It is more complicated than that. Soviets would have move people into Mongolia, as the region was (and remains) seriously underpopulated, both in terms of headcount and (even more) in terms of availability of workforce for industry. Even IOTL a lot of mining in Mongolia had been done by Soviet-Mongolian "Joint ventures", using imported Soviet workforce. Would USSR annex Mongolia, this process would be increased ten-fold. People would be recruited from all corners of USSR to go build mines and plants in Mongolia. However, ethnic Russians would dominate migration for following reasons:
1. Russians are by far biggest ethnic group of USSR
2. European Russia is one of few areas in the country seriously suffering agrarian overpopulation, and a lot of immigration waves had been fueled by peasants from this area.
3. Other Slavic ethnic groups tend to identify themselves with Russians, when they're minority within non-slavic region. For example, all the Belarussian migrants in Eastern Prussia and Karelia started to identify themselves with Russians within couple of decades IOTL.
It is also worth noting that Mongols would not give a damn to distinguish Russian from Ukrainian from Belarussian from Armenian from Georgian from Azeri, especially taking into account that they would all speak Russian. For Mongols they all would be "Russian migrants" (this is what happened in Baltics IOTL).
This course of events would somewhat harm development of Mongolian ruling elite. IOTL Mongols had to have local candidate of every position within government, and this caused huge growth of educated class (kinda like "affirmative actions" effect). ITTL there would be a choice between an urbanist migrant and a pasturalist Mongol to fill a position, so Mongols, even without any official anti-Mongol policy, would lose a lot of opportunities.
 
If Mongolia was an SSR, would there still have been Buryat and Kalmyk ASSRs?
Kalmyks definitely. They're thousands of kilometers from Mongolia and they split from Mongols 400 years before that. Buryats? Tough call. Possibly (they're somewhat distinct from Mongols), but not definitely.
 
Tuva had been given self-determination when the Russian Soviets recognized Mongolia has Independent so chances are they would have decided to be part of Mongolia or there own Soviet Republic.
On November 5, 1921, a bilateral Agreement on Mutual Recognition and Friendly Relations was signed in Moscow. It recognized the People's Government of Mongolia, and it facilitated the exchange of diplomatic representatives. Furthermore, it provided for the self-determination of Tannu Tuva, a region in northwestern Mongolia that had been a Russian protectorate between 1914 and 1917.
The Soviets wanted a buffer State and did want a treaty with China. Afterall, the Soviets did not have many troops in there Far East Region. China would not accept a Mongolia which would be part of Soviet Russia but they would accept an Independent Mongolia. So
new Soviet treaty with China on May 31, 1924 (which provided for the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Mongolia), set the stage for the final step in the nominal independence of Mongolia

If the Soviets had not had any problems in Europe and or had had a strong force in the Far East Region then more than likely Mongolia would have been annexed.
 
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