Challenge: have [blank] a Caribbean islands

What are the chances that the following states can have a Caribbean island(s)?

No earlier than 1700 no later than 1914

Germany
Belgium
Sweden
Portugal
Italy
Greece
Ottoman Empire
Russia
Austria(-Hungary)
Venice
 

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What are the chances that the following states can have a Caribbean island(s)?

No earlier than 1700 no later than 1914

Germany
Belgium
Sweden
Portugal
Italy
Greece
Ottoman Empire
Russia
Austria(-Hungary)
Venice

Oh please... if Courland could have a Caribbean island, then the rest of these have no problem at all.
 
Oh please... if Courland could have a Caribbean island, then the rest of these have no problem at all.
I{dont know the Ottoman empire have to cross all the hostile western Mediterranean ocean to arrive to america, Plus the Spanish Navy in his gold Age, I really doubt they could arrive to america, and even if they could, the supply and defense of the colony is a nightmare.
 
Oh please... if Courland could have a Caribbean island, then the rest of these have no problem at all.
I am not so sure about that. Germany, Belgium, Greece and Italy only became countries long after the America's (and thus the Caribbean islands) were divided. I could in theory see Germany ending up with an island in the rather unlikely case of the Netherlands or Denmark joining Gdermany. The rest?

Or if Brandenburg manages to get a Carribean Island and keeping it until Germany unifies. The same could work with Venice or Genua getting a Carribean island and keeping it until Italian unification. Mind you, I would say that these kind of changes could easily butterfly away unification. Being able to conquer and keep colonies in the Carribean would mean a very different Brandenburg, Genua or Venice.

No I don't see how in any reasonable way (and the Netherlands joining Germany already is not reasonable).
 
Sweden owning a Caribbean island is OTL. They owned St. Barts from 1784 to 1878, but they sold it back to France after they didn't feel like spending the money to administer it.
 

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Venice. Sure. I can do that one.

Venice decides to fund a certain fellow named Columbus, with his idea for sailing west to reach the Indies. The expedition ends up being a success. Venice ends up owning not one Caribbean island, but all Caribbean islands. :cool:
 

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Venice. Sure. I can do that one.

Venice decides to fund a certain fellow named Columbus, with his idea for sailing west to reach the Indies. The expedition ends up being a success. Venice ends up owning not one Caribbean island, but all Caribbean islands. :cool:
Who would think it was a good idea to sail west to reach the Indies? ASB!
 
>putting Venice and Italy into separate categories

Liga Veneta intensifies

Anyway, a good PoD might be the dismemberment of one of the colonial great powers. It seems like a stretch, but suppose the Netherlands were completely partitioned—you might see their Caribbean possessions given to some nation like Austria, Germany, or an Italian state at least.
 
Anyway, a good PoD might be the dismemberment of one of the colonial great powers. It seems like a stretch, but suppose the Netherlands were completely partitioned—you might see their Caribbean possessions given to some nation like Austria, Germany, or an Italian state at least.

France is the easiest one imo. If you have an independent Brittany picking up some colonies, they're easy pickings for a larger power - especially if Brittany gets re-annexed later
 
I{dont know the Ottoman empire have to cross all the hostile western Mediterranean ocean to arrive to america, Plus the Spanish Navy in his gold Age, I really doubt they could arrive to america, and even if they could, the supply and defense of the colony is a nightmare.

Post-1700 eh. By then there was a little to no conflict with the Spanish except around Oran.
 
>putting Venice and Italy into separate categories

Liga Veneta intensifies

Anyway, a good PoD might be the dismemberment of one of the colonial great powers. It seems like a stretch, but suppose the Netherlands were completely partitioned—you might see their Caribbean possessions given to some nation like Austria, Germany, or an Italian state at least.

Considering that there is more than 70 years since the fall of Venice and creation of Italy.
 
Was there anyone else looking to buy the Danish Virgin Islands other than the US? Seems pretty easy way to get a new player in the Caribbean

You might have Bismarck go ambitious. Relieving the Danes from the island in exchange for a payment. But then again it isn't anything like Bismarck to make more enemies, in this case the USA.
 
Maybe the Moroccans get a minor Caribbean sugar island like Ahmad al-Mansur thought of doing, and somehow the Turks get a hold of this island through some deal with the Moroccans, maybe in exchange for help in some succession dispute?

Bonus points if said island is Grand Turk Island.
 
Germany = 100%, requires them to win but a single war post 1871.
Belgium = A concession for a part of the Congo.
Sweden = Actually owned one in the 19th century.
Portugal = One colonial investment in the carribbean for trading in the 16th century, done.
Italy = Trade a caribbean island with Britain in return for something like the Ionian islands or Malta.
Greece = Not likely. Want their own islands back first.
Ottoman Empire = Sick man. Won't hold on post-collapse
Russia = Has a quest already for a warm water port and is a land power, not likely.
Austria(-Hungary) = Land focused, might seek a concession in a place like Cuba at most in the 19th century.
Venice = Let venice remain wealthy for a while longer, one island becomes venetian. Also a path towards an italian carribbean island.
 
Austria-Hungary: maybe if the Hapsburg empire gets split differently? At least, it seems like the "easiest" way to do it.
 
Russia - must complete warm water port quest before even considering Caribbean option.
Italy - a Spanish Bourbon king decided to give one of the islands off Cuba to Naples as a gift.
Belgium - a Spanish Habsburg king decided to give one of the islands to his Burgundian kin as a gift.
Sweden - yoink the Danish Virgin Islands under their noses during a Personal Union.
Germany/Austria - will happen if the Belgian scenario happens, and they invade/incorporate Belgium into the Greater Empire.
 
Spain at one point (1837) tried to sell Cuba to Belgium, so Belgian colonies there isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. And in addition to St. Barts, Sweden also held Guadeloupe (a far better prize than St. Barts) for several months during the Napoleonic Wars, so could probably find a way to convince the British to let them have the island.
 
One of the UK's colonies is administered as a part of Hanover rather than as a part of England.

Austria(-Hungary)
Charles VI is more pragmatic and bets on strength rather than flimsy guarantees, the Ostend Company stays in place and the Austrian military is not allowed to decline as it did OTL. The war of Austrian Succession is a stomp, and Austria takes one or two of France's Islands as reparations.

See the above, but still have the Brabant Revolution (or something similar) take place.

Happened OTL as mentioned above.

During the Seven Years War a Portuguese expedition occupies the Florida Keys (they count right?) and Spain decides that it's an alright trade for settling the Brazil-Río de la Plata boundary dispute in their favour.

Denmark sells to someone else.

The 1897 War goes worse for Greece, and it's sufficiently rattled to believe a second Tourkokratia is imminent and they decide to invest in Dausuva-esque shenanigans, facilitated by Denmark selling to someone else.

Ottoman Empire
Denmark sells to someone else.

Denmark sells to someone else.

You'd have to arrest their 18th century decline, which was already well underway in the previous century.
 
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