Challenge: "Good" Hitler

I am disappointed at the lack of comments on my suggestion:p

Hitler was a young man whose father died early in his life, and left him living a bohemian lifestyle as a misunderstood young artist. Or so he fancied himself. He was angry at not getting the recognition he felt he deserved and humiliated on behalf of his country.

I tried to see what would come of a Hitler who married as a young man and acquired the responsibilities of a husband and father. That Hitler had a crush on a Jewish girl OTL made it perfect.

The Hitler that served in the Austrian army was already a more settled person that the dissolute draft-dodger of OTL. I tried to portray him as a man with serious anger issues, but with different priorities and less time to get into nonsense in the bierkellers.

As for the Superman connection, lets face it, the Kryptonians are a master race. And Hitler did keep wittering on about that.


I like it! Sen. Hitler is a good detail too.
 
Not that he would wreck the USSR in a mad expansionist venture. That was Trotsky's World Revolution.
People get Trotsky's "world revolution" wrong too. Much like Stalin's ideal was "socialism in one country", Trotsky's ideal was "socialism in many countries" -- not invading places and implementing communist governments, but supporting homegrown communist revolutions from behind the scenes. Much in the same way the Reagan-era United States supported the Contras and other such right-wing groups.
 
I am disappointed at the lack of comments on my suggestion:p

Hitler was a young man whose father died early in his life, and left him living a bohemian lifestyle as a misunderstood young artist. Or so he fancied himself. He was angry at not getting the recognition he felt he deserved and humiliated on behalf of his country.

I tried to see what would come of a Hitler who married as a young man and acquired the responsibilities of a husband and father. That Hitler had a crush on a Jewish girl OTL made it perfect.

The Hitler that served in the Austrian army was already a more settled person that the dissolute draft-dodger of OTL. I tried to portray him as a man with serious anger issues, but with different priorities and less time to get into nonsense in the bierkellers.

As for the Superman connection, lets face it, the Kryptonians are a master race. And Hitler did keep wittering on about that.

Not bad Umbral. Interesting conclusions. Certainly better than my concept. >.>;;
 
The 1972 film "Love and War" about the courtship of Aldolf and Stephanie won 3 Oscars, despite being panned by historians for showing the courtship as happening during the World War. Historians protested in vain that the two were already married by the time the war broke out. Hollywood, as usual, did not listen.
Another ideal vehicle for Mel Gibson, of course.
 
Wasn't Stalin facing unrest in the Ukraine?

While it's true that Stalin would look to his home situation, there was nothing special about the Ukraine's dissent by 1939. The zminovikh intellectuals has been liquidated during the purge, and collectivisation was over and done with.

Methinks if there wasn't a WWII-as-we-know-it, Stalin would have settled accounts with Japan for 1905.

That would spread Communist deeply into Asia,

Would it, tthough, there's a thought? Quick sketch: peaceful European situation means the USSR responds resolutely to Japanese probes in 1939. The best result for the Soviets is that they roll to Beijing and Pusan and Japan calls on Britain and France - faced with a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea - to mediate. The Soviets get the northern islands, a puppet Korea...

But do they create communist China? That might create some serious opposition - and it's also not necessarily in Soviet interests, as OTL showed. IIRC, Stalin's plans even later in WW2 were for a GMD regime in which the Soviets enjoyed as many privileges in Manchuria as they already did in Xinjiang. Certainly, it was the GMD who were receiving by far the biggest chunk of Soviet help throughout this period.

That communist or at least Soviet-backed anticolonial movements are possible in some of Indochina, Indonesia, Burma, India, Iran, Iraq, etcetera is a seperate issue: that'd be the case even if Japan stayed firmly in Manchuria.
 
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After he flunks his academy, he goes to live in a ghetto. Fortunately, a kind Jewish family takes him in to get him back on his feet. When he asks them why they were so nice, they respond, " because all people are worth the same, great or small". Hitler takes this lesson to heart, and becomes a political activist. Eventually, he comes to lead the National Socialist Party. When he is elected chancellor, he calls for an alliance with France and Britain against Russia. He goes on to be a hero of World War II.


Ive always thought a TL like that would be awsome but instead the POD is that in the story were Hitler said his friend was standing very close to him in the trenches of WWI, instead he gets shot and a Jewish Medic saves his life.
And then the Sovies are allowed to annex the Baltic and Cascaus states and the Novogrod conference allows them to annex east poland. THe next year the USSR invades the rest of Poland. Hitler who has never trused the commies has the German military occupy the corridor. In 1939 the USSR invades Finland kicking off WWII.

Bastogne as Stalingrad?
Alaska instead of the Russian heartland?
A USSR-Japanese-Mao Axis?
Battle of Seelow Heights instead of Kursk?
D-Day invasion on the shores of Estonia?

The possbilites are endless!
 
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I made a map showing political groups and economic communities in a nice hitler world. wwi ends a lil differently, causing hitler and other things to go differently. Hitler becomes a Lutheran priest and goes to the Baltic states to preach. Trotsky beats Stalin, allows the revolting Baltic states to breakoff and they form basically a religious state. Trotsky enacts reforms the USSR being less centralized etc. Communism spreads further but is less menacing.

dont have it all figured out. no wwii per se, but japan is trounced and never recovered like it did OTL and there have been wars in Europe and elsewhere.

Thoughts?

Oh those are an east african and central american unions and their allies. they arent necessarily allied (being jaguar and lion economies sorta like OTL tiger economies in asia)

edit: that isnt commie britain just britfed

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archaeogeek

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I'm curious why people assume someone less bad will somehow necessarily rule Germany lacking Hitler to take this position? Although I do like the Hitler as comic book artist and the map just there ideas.
 
Hitler's father never becomes a drunk and stays in the civil service. His parents love and support him until they pass away when he is 32. Hitler lives happily, eventually joining the civil service along with his father and then politics. He never joins WWI due to an injury he sustained as child, and he remains a level-headed, happy man with two children and a wife.

After the war, he moves to Germany as a philanthropist. He helps direct German neighborhoods towards better conditions in the Depression, and eventually is elected as President due to his great contributions to the community.
 
Because he's bad - he's bad - he's really really bad.

I'm curious why people assume someone less bad will somehow necessarily rule Germany lacking Hitler to take this position? Although I do like the Hitler as comic book artist and the map just there ideas.

Now come on. Apart from Fry's "Making History"'s lesson, it is rather probable that it can only be less bad.

I admit, maybe only slightly less bad. But as bad? Worse?
 

archaeogeek

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Now come on. Apart from Fry's "Making History"'s lesson, it is rather probable that it can only be less bad.

I admit, maybe only slightly less bad. But as bad? Worse?

Hitler somehow finding a therapeutic outlet still doesn't remove from existence the rest of the clique: Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Bormann and etc. The NSDAP could very much be just as horrible and was not lacking in men whose creds at being cartoon evil were rather well demonstrated IOTL... It also doesn't give brains to Hjalmar von Schacht and the other Junkers desperately trying to find a convenient but ideologically pleasing puppet.
 
Hitler somehow finding a therapeutic outlet still doesn't remove from existence the rest of the clique: Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, Bormann and etc. The NSDAP could very much be just as horrible and was not lacking in men whose creds at being cartoon evil were rather well demonstrated IOTL... It also doesn't give brains to Hjalmar von Schacht and the other Junkers desperately trying to find a convenient but ideologically pleasing puppet.

Yes, of course. That's why I said "maybe only slightly better".

Most threads of this forum come to the conclusion, that Germany can hardly do any more damage to Europe than it did OTL.

It is also hard to accomplish to kill more Jews than in OTL.

So, odds are quite bad that it could be worse.

On the other hand, removing Hitler from German politics altogether will have butterflies go wild. Would there even be a "NSDAP" as such? Hitler formed and molded the party in his early years. So we will have different right-wing groups, different dynamics between them and the people involved.

There is a high probability that some kind of right-wing-movement comes to power in Germany ca. 1933. Would it create the perfect storm without Hitler? Probably not. That's why we discuss him so much on here.
 
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