Challenge: Germany that includes the following

What would it take to get Germany to include these areas of territory? 1913 borders of the German Empire, Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Bornholm, Luxemburg and South Tirol? Some more challenges:

1. The people of these areas must themselves Germans firstmost and foremost! They may have a sub-identity (if that is the correct term) such as Swiss, Dutch, Bavarian, Austrian etc.

2. I would perfer a federal monarchy or Parliamentary (British style).

3. What would the maximum population be of this large German Nation? More specifically, the specific population for each of the areas i mentioned.

4. 30 Years War must be avoided and no war of its type should takes it place.

5. Religiously homogeous Germany, example could be either Protestant or Catholic.

6. Done before the year 1300 if possible, by peaceful unification or HRE centralisation.
 
That is an interesting concept. But I presonally feel it is not possible to achieve this without a very early POD as I can;t imagine anyone in Europe would want to see such a big and powerful nation exist. It truly would be a super country.
 
That is an interesting concept. But I presonally feel it is not possible to achieve this without a very early POD as I can;t imagine anyone in Europe would want to see such a big and powerful nation exist. It truly would be a super country.

Well the POD is 1300 perferably. There was no balance of power (as far as i know), no-one would object until it is too late. But using my objectives, how would you do it?
 
Frankly, it would'nt really be Germany anymore as much as it'd be Germanica.

Another thing to, the borders of the German Empire in the East IOTL were very modern, historically most of Eastern Prussia was not part of Germany, it only became part of it on account of it being rewarded to Prussia during the Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the late 18th century.

In general though I just don't see a single state like that ever forming, firstly since their'd be little support and later on as a result of everyone else realizing they'd be screwed if it did form.

What you'd more likely see is 2-4 states, though you might see a short period like IOTL where a crazy regime gets in power and conquers a huge area before it's defeated a short while later.
 
Frankly, it would'nt really be Germany anymore as much as it'd be Germanica.

Another thing to, the borders of the German Empire in the East IOTL were very modern, historically most of Eastern Prussia was not part of Germany, it only became part of it on account of it being rewarded to Prussia during the Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the late 18th century.

In general though I just don't see a single state like that ever forming, firstly since their'd be little support and later on as a result of everyone else realizing they'd be screwed if it did form.

What you'd more likely see is 2-4 states, though you might see a short period like IOTL where a crazy regime gets in power and conquers a huge area before it's defeated a short while later.

This is why i asked for a very early POD, as i see it as the only chance it can form in the way i asked.
 
This is why i asked for a very early POD, as i see it as the only chance it can form in the way i asked.

That's the thing, it could'nt form that way, or atleadt it would NOT have the same borders in the East, no matter how far back the PoD was, and now that I think about it, it would'nt be the same in the West either, Alsace-Lorraine was a very unique polity in history, with no prior history of existing the way it did.

What you might end-up with is a Federalized HRE, a state roughly containing all those places (and more), but one that was not a German state in and of itself.
 
The closest thing to that was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, and even then, it was missing parts of modern Austria and South Tirol, and all of Bornholm. On the plus side, it did own Belgium and parts of Italy not mentioned by the OP.

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I know this is in the Before 1900 thread, but theoretically if Hitler won WW2 isn't this the sort of boundary he would be looking at? (That is, for Greater Germany). I know his final plans on France were vague, some accounts indicating he wanted to reduce it to its constituent parts.

Edit: Sorry for the post. On reflection it doesn't belong here - call it a brain snap.
 
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