Challenge: German-Soviets vs everyone else WWII

Well, you need to (and by everyone else, I presume you mean every other major participant in the war):

A) get rid of Hitler
B) Somehow convince Stalin to cooperate with Germany, something he never intended to do. USSR has nothing to gain from this alliance.
C) I can see Italy, er... going insane because German cooperate with USSR and declaring war against Germany, but Japan? Most likely they remain neutral.
D) Why would US get involved in this war? Unless said alliance of Germany and USSR somehow provokes them which I do not see happening

I am unable to device any POD resulting in this outcome. Seems ASB to me.
 
A) get rid of Hitler
Easy, have him die in WW1
B) Somehow convince Stalin to cooperate with Germany, something he never intended to do. USSR has nothing to gain from this alliance.
Have Germany become communist….if I remember correctly, there were many commie groups running around during the hard times….
C) I can see Italy, er... going insane because German cooperate with USSR and declaring war against Germany, but Japan? Most likely they remain neutral.
If the soviets expand into Manchuria…the Japanese WILL fight
D) Why would US get involved in this war? Unless said alliance of Germany and USSR somehow provokes them which I do not see happening
Easy, have them funding communist groups in America, maybe a sub attack on a British flagged American ship
I am unable to device any POD resulting in this outcome. Seems ASB to me.
I can….hehehe
 
I thought you wanted Nazi Germany + Soviet Union fight the world. Serves me right for seeing words that are not there. Well, still, are strong Germany and strong Soviet Union mutually compatible is the real question.
 
The closest is this timeline, made by Eurofed, where an alliance of Britain, Commonwealth, USA, Japan, and China struggle to contain the Nazi-Soviet conquest of Eurasia. Italy is still allied with USSR/Germany though...

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But with some changes...maybe Mussolini died earlier and the new Duce of Italy is very pro-West?
 
I thought you wanted Nazi Germany + Soviet Union fight the world. Serves me right for seeing words that are not there. Well, still, are strong Germany and strong Soviet Union mutually compatible is the real question.
If Germany is under the control of a commie party that takes orders from stalin…..well, that could get interesting….
And I don’t think France, Britain, or Italy will be happy with a commie Germany…..
 
If Germany is under the control of a commie party that takes orders from stalin….
Or worse: Nominally under Stalin's control, but still going its own way reguarding technology development. That might annoy him, but if the Germans kept comming up with such interesting toys he might tollerate it.
 
Why not just have Britain and France declare war on the USSR as well when they invade Poland in late September 1939? Granted, getting Italy and Japan (especially Italy - Japan might be persuaded to have another go at the Northern Resource Area) involved against the Berlin-Moscow Axis might be a challenge, but at least they might stay neutral.
 
This can't work with a Nazi Germany, and it would only work with a Communist Germany ruled by someone like Ulbricht who'd be obedient to everything Stalin says. Even then Ulbricht could well wind up being for Stalin what Lenin himself was for Wilhelm II.
 
Like many people before have allready noted, this has to start with Germany going communist. Nazi germany, even (or especially) if it stays allied with the Soviet Union, will have to many other allies, and even Hitler cannot alienate all of them. In contrast, a German-Russian alliance under the red flag will scare most of the rest of the world into an opposite coallition.
And Germany doesn't even need to be fully communist (at first initially). For a start, Stalin just needs to allow an alliance between german communists and the social-democrats.

BTW: Incidentally, this is nr.1 on my list of "timelines I might write someday"
 
If you are discussing Nazi Germany it is likely impossible, however if you simply had Hitler killed in one of his putchs or a communist takeover then the world could get interesting.

But a fascist - communist alliance? The situation would have to be really drastic.
 
Well, considering the realpolitk agreement worked out before, it wouldn't totally be impossible for something even more drastic to occur. However, extremely unlikely.
 
Germany would have to go Communist. The result of this would be Poland getting carved up by the Soviets and German Communists, so Germany's borders are restored to pre-Versailles conditions in the East.

Mussolini's fascists actively support the Fatherland Front in Austria as a buffer against Communist Germany and Russia. What was once the Austro-Hungarian Empire falls into the Italian sphere of influence, along with Yugoslavia. France and Britain, fearful of Communist expansionism, support the Italian effort to contain it in the Balkans before it can reach the Mediterranean. France and the Low Countries are ruled by militaristic governments ideologically similar to Mussolini's.

Fear of the Communists keeps a good relationship between Britain and France and Japan. They are more fearful the Soviets from sweeping across all of China into the European empires of southern Asia than they are of Japan carving up Northern China for itself. Socialist thought influences Arab independence movements in the Middle East, further strengthening British fears of the Soviets. The United States, though sinking into isolationism, supports the Europeans and Japanese in the interest of keeping the markets of China open.

World War II breaks out over Austria or another "Damn fool thing in the Balkans." Italian troops pour into Austria to maintain that nation's independence from the German-Soviet Alliance. France and Britain invade northern Germany in support of this initiative. The Soviet Union sends troops in in support. Japan goes to war against the Soviet Union alongside British and French forces in China, having not invaded China any further than Manchukuo. The United States enters the war after one too many American freighters in the Atlantic or Pacific are sunk by Soviet or German submarines.
 
Easy and not that impossible. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact already set up a de facto economic alliance between them. Let Ribbentrop further work his magic with the Soviets, tone down a tiny, tiny bit Hitler's anti-communist stance and voila, November 1940 - signing of Second Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (didn't happen, Hitler wasn't interested anymore, though Ribbentrop still hoped). And with that there follows Soviet invasion in Finland (second attempt), Sweden (or at least an ultimatum to get military bases like in Baltics) and British India, thus making Germany and SU de facto military allies against the West. Ribbentrop wanted to make such an alliance of "the great land powers", based on ideas by Karl Haushofer, to fight against "the great sea powers" - and Soviets were ready to discuss something along those lines. Of course, Soviets, just like Hitler, were practical and capable of non-ideological foreign policy, and were also considering stabbing Germany in the back, if need be.

EDIT.
C'mon guys, don't re-produce silly historical stereotypes, as if Nazi Germany and Soviet Union could "never be friends". They were and could have been longer. Just because they in 1941 BECAME enemies, says nothing about 1939-1940 and alternative potentials that were explored at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks
 
Germany would have to go Communist. The result of this would be Poland getting carved up by the Soviets and German Communists, so Germany's borders are restored to pre-Versailles conditions in the East.

Mussolini's fascists actively support the Fatherland Front in Austria as a buffer against Communist Germany and Russia. What was once the Austro-Hungarian Empire falls into the Italian sphere of influence, along with Yugoslavia. France and Britain, fearful of Communist expansionism, support the Italian effort to contain it in the Balkans before it can reach the Mediterranean. France and the Low Countries are ruled by militaristic governments ideologically similar to Mussolini's.

Fear of the Communists keeps a good relationship between Britain and France and Japan. They are more fearful the Soviets from sweeping across all of China into the European empires of southern Asia than they are of Japan carving up Northern China for itself. Socialist thought influences Arab independence movements in the Middle East, further strengthening British fears of the Soviets. The United States, though sinking into isolationism, supports the Europeans and Japanese in the interest of keeping the markets of China open.

World War II breaks out over Austria or another "Damn fool thing in the Balkans." Italian troops pour into Austria to maintain that nation's independence from the German-Soviet Alliance. France and Britain invade northern Germany in support of this initiative. The Soviet Union sends troops in in support. Japan goes to war against the Soviet Union alongside British and French forces in China, having not invaded China any further than Manchukuo. The United States enters the war after one too many American freighters in the Atlantic or Pacific are sunk by Soviet or German submarines.

Very good timeline, Polish Eagle! I have just two comments:
- The war might still break out over Poland, if the western powers guarantee it's independence like in OTL.
- If Roosevelt is still president of the US he will try as much as possible to keep the US out of the anti-communist alliance. In fact I think at first he is probably going to trade with the communists too, so it's the other side who will have to be carefull not to sink any US freighters. But if the communists win some victories and start to become more and more dangerous, the situation might change.
 
Very good timeline, Polish Eagle! I have just two comments:
- The war might still break out over Poland, if the western powers guarantee it's independence like in OTL.
- If Roosevelt is still president of the US he will try as much as possible to keep the US out of the anti-communist alliance. In fact I think at first he is probably going to trade with the communists too, so it's the other side who will have to be carefull not to sink any US freighters. But if the communists win some victories and start to become more and more dangerous, the situation might change.
but a "pearl harbor" style attack would be impossible.....and Stalin probably isn't that stupid enough to provoke the giant....let it sleep until it is too late:D
 
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