Challenge: Fascist Russia, Communist US, Capitalist Germany

Your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is to make, heading towards World War II, Russia be run by Fascists, the US ran by Communists, and Germany have a similar ideology as America did OTL. Bonus points if you keep the events regarding World War I as OTL.
 
I was thinking about this recently.
I was thinking that if you weaken the US it could collapse Russia style.
Thoughts?
(I think bumping this is okay because I am OP right?)
 
Well, this is a possible scenario in Kaiserreich, where Germany doesn't go ultranationalist, the Combined Syndicalists win the Civil War, and Wrangel comes to power in Russia.
 
Right-Wing authoritarian Russia is kind of easy considering some of the personalities involved in the Civil War on the side of the Whites, however it'd obviously not think of itself as 'fascist'. I can see many a right-wing regime going along the route of concentration camps first killing communists and socialists, then jews and other minorities as well. By 'capitalist' Germany, you presumably refer to the sort of liberal capitalism that we saw in the US in OTL and that is also entirely possible based on various factors. Communist USA is the hardest to make plausible.
 
Ok, let's try some rought draft

- No USW and Zimmerman telegram, so Wilson can't take the USA in the Great War; the damage to the Entente is counterbalanced by the much much less severe loss of men and material and the fact that the american credit line has not been totally and suddenly cut when in 1917 the Entente (or better the UK) run of money, even if much less than OTL there is still financial support...due to the sheer investment from many prominent men that pressured the president.
- No Lenin in Russia, while the German try to bring the man back to cause problem, but the train used by him and other 32 dissident had a terrible incident with no survivor. In this manner the Kerensky goverment is a little more stable and the infamed Kerensky offensive (and his Romanian counterpart) his slighlty more succesfull and there is no October Revolution, with a B-L analog in all term signed in March 1918 by the Kerensky goverment.
- The continued fight in the est, preclude the German to support A-H in their offensive in the Italian front for 1917, so the plan is postponed in spring 1918...this event mean that the Battle of Cambrai is much more succesfull for the Entente.
- In spring 1918 the final offensive of Germany and A-H fail and are forced to sue for peace..

- In the Treaty of Versailles analog Germany is more or less given the same term of OTL (except for the reparations that are a little more lenient, basically equal at the Young Plan, and the military restriction are less humiliating...this is all due to Germany being a little more strong than OTL to at least try to bluff her way for concession ).
- Italy get what promised from the London Treaty and the Kingdom of Jugoslavia is formed
- The war in Turkey see mixed result for the Khemalist front, as while France, Italy and UK decided to left their influence zones, Greece continue to fight and in the end retain the region of Smyrne, while the zone straits is declared a demilitarizated zone...but controlled by the goverment of Turkey with the four power supervision.

Germany

The Weimar Repubblic survive and no occupation of the Rhur by the Allies and lower reparation mean that his more stable and prosperous than OTL; with the years while remaining on the outside a democracy she develop some very authoritarian traits; the various permitted political parties had one thing in common...regain the former territory and some.

Europe

France as a mean to accept the 'lenient' term towards Germany formed a defensive alliance and later custom union with Belgium and Italy. The Italian Kingdom even if won the war, lived through some rough years in the aftermath of the conflict, with internal political fight and an attempt by Mussolini and D'Annunzio to conquer the power by force...but their glorious march on Rome become a tragic comedy when the army almost effortlessly arrested the ringleader and scattered the remaining fascist.
East Europe is calm now, after the initial years of brush war due to the need to settle the various border, but it's more the calm before the storm than real peace.

Russia

The Kerensky goverment fall due to a fascist coup and the following brief but violent civil war ( with the white supported by the rest of the Entente) seen the total defeat of the socialist/communist forces and the birth of the fist fascist nation of the world; while for now the objective is to modernize everybody knows that getting back the lost territory is the first and only objective of the current clique in Moscow.

USA

Without the excuse of the war, Wilson was not capable to purge the socialist from the american political life and no communist victory in Russia mean a lot less powerfull Red Scare. This allowed to the American socialist party to grow during the postwar years...while fighting (many time litteraly and not only politically) the resurgent Ku Klux Klan, creating a very tense climate in the political life of the USA.
When the Great Depression started in 1930, the suddend destruction of the economic life of the entire nation and many horrible incidents (like the Bonus Army) greatly augmented the support for the socialist, till they had a shot to the presidency.
This started the so called Business Plot that while succeding initially, merely started the civil war that in the end created the USSA
 
- No Lenin in Russia

Or, for the bonus twist, you can make him influenced by Sorel so that he abandons his socialist roots and becomes the Russian Mussolini.

With him as fascist or without him, Russia still performs poorly except the Transcaucasian Front, so even if there is no separate peace, at alt-Versailles its spoils of war are nowhere near to what she aimed for (certainly no control over the Straits, and no major territorial gains in Europe, except maybe Galicia-Lodomeria and some small bits of Austrian and German Poland). The economy is in shambles, the agrarian question is left unsolved, so a wave of strikes, attempts at land expropriations and agrarian terror goes throughout Russia. The post-Constituent Assembly government consisting of the pro-business liberals and moderate socialists ends deadlocked and largely unable to deal with these issues. The fascists, or what they are called, are presenting themselves as the only power able to protect the business and the landowners from the chaos and to protect the working people from the landowners' and big business' depredations, at the same time training their paramilitaries and building networks within the army. With some luck, they get invited into the government and then quietly take it over, or they stage something like the March on Petrograd (which, with no civil war that forced the OTL government to flee it remains the capital) to exact their demands from the weak and divided government which has no choice but to agree.
 
Thanks for the interest.
@lukedalton your scenario is pretty good in terms of answers.
How do you think history would flow from there?

Thanks, frankly i see a Russo-German alliance to regain the lost territory and prestige as even without Hitler the Weimar Repubblic was convinced that Versailles needed to be overthrow and Russia will desire take back the lost land aka poor Poland and Finland.
Japan and the USSA are the wild card, the first can remain an ally of the British with the situation in America and Russia still a very potential enemy...but in that period Japan was a crazy place; the USSA stance much depend on who get to be the leader, if some moderate or a Stalin/Trosky analog

No Italo-Abyssinian war if Benny is not in charge and the Civil war in Spain will be much more different than OTL
 
Why stop there?

Capitalist Russia, Fascist USA and Communist Germany

Hell, what's stopping me now?

Communist Russia, Capitalist USA and Fascist Germany

(wait, already done? darn)
 
World War 2:

Allies:

Union of American Socialist Republics (William Foster)
Germany (Wilhelm II, then Wilhelm III)
Italy (Victor Emmanuel III)
Brazil (Getulio Vargas)

Axis
Russia (Anastasy Vonsyatsky)
Spain (Franco)
Mexico (Enrique Gorostieta)
Thailand (Palek Phibunsongkhram)
 
World War 2:

Allies:

Union of American Socialist Republics (William Foster)
Germany (Wilhelm II, then Wilhelm III)
Italy (Victor Emmanuel III)
Brazil (Getulio Vargas)

Axis
Russia (Anastasy Vonsyatsky)
Spain (Franco)
Mexico (Enrique Gorostieta)
Thailand (Palek Phibunsongkhram)

Thanks, frankly i see a Russo-German alliance to regain the lost territory and prestige as even without Hitler the Weimar Repubblic was convinced that Versailles needed to be overthrow and Russia will desire take back the lost land aka poor Poland and Finland.
Japan and the USSA are the wild card, the first can remain an ally of the British with the situation in America and Russia still a very potential enemy...but in that period Japan was a crazy place; the USSA stance much depend on who get to be the leader, if some moderate or a Stalin/Trosky analog

No Italo-Abyssinian war if Benny is not in charge and the Civil war in Spain will be much more different than OTL
Who do you think would win the World Wars here?
 
Who do you think would win the World Wars here?

Depend on how many things; a non fascist Italy that don't waste money in Spain and Ethiopia mean a slightly more efficient armed forces and economy plus more funds; plus a more formal alliance with Belgium mean that many problems that allowed the Germans to succeed in Sickle Cut ITTL are not existent.
On the other hand much depend on Russia, if the regime in charge is like Stalin or Benny the army will be mess and so will punch a lot less of what theoretically capable; instead if the army is just average efficient things will be ugly...WWI ugly

Socialist America is the wild card, where she go...she will bring victory due to her sheer size, even if it will be hard.
 
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Depend on how many things; a non fascist Italy that don't waste money in Spain and Ethiopia mean a slightly more efficient armed forces and economy plus more funds; plus a more formal alliance with Belgium mean that many problems that allowed the Germans to succeed in Sickle Cut ITTL are not existent.
On the other hand much depend on Russia, if the regime in charge is like Stalin or Benny the army will be mess and so will punch a lot less of what theoretically capable; instead if the army is just average efficient things will be ugly...WWI ugly

Socialist America is the wild card, where she go...she will bring victory due to her sheer size, even if it will be hard.
So just as OTL...
 
Easy.

Germany heads east in 1914 instead of west, avoiding the invasion of Belgium and not involving itself in USW. With Russia set to fall by the end of 1915, Britain enters the war to keep France from having to make a negotiated peace. Italy sides with Allies and offensives in the Alps and Alsace-Lorraine begin. Austria-Hungary starts to fall to the Italian-British force and Germany is forced to shore up their line. But Russia capitulates with a Republican revolution in 1916 with Lenin being executed by the President of Russia, Alexander Kerensky. When Germany moves its attention west, it plows through Belgium but the offensive peters out after taking Paris. Italy has kept its gains on Austria. After a few months of Paris and most of northern France being occupied, Germany pushes on another offensive to seize the rest of Normandy and Brittany. With the 1917 offensive looking likely to succeed and cut off British aid, the Entente sue for peace, with Germany acquiring some token border towns, French Central Africa and Congo, and the Belgian Congo. Old Willy rejects any peace, demanding a border on the Meuse, dismantling of arms industry, and heavy reparations from Britain, who remains undefeated at sea and has their Expeditionary Force intact. After a few weeks of American mediation, Willy refuses to budge and attempts to dismiss Zimmerman, who has been pushing for a more lenient peace, due to fears of American intervention and a possible renewed war with Russia. Hindenburg detains the Kaiser and sends him into seclusion then asks the Reichstag to vote upon a peace treaty with the Entente(bypassing the Bundesrat) that he, Ludendorff, and Zimmerman negotiated. This treaty is similar to the terms asked for by Britain and France, but with limits to the size of the French and Italian armies, dismantlement of French and Italian war industry, and arrangements for a naval conference in Washington DC. Austrian-Italian border is status quo antebellum.

The vote passes, and further votes arrange an amended Constitution not unlike the October Constitution of OTL. With the integration of Germany into the world order and increased democratization, Germany looks poised to be the capitalist democratic power of the mid-20th century.

With Russia having surrendered without Russia proper being occupied and without the Tsar's permission, Russia develops a stab-in-the-back theory, with Jews and Communists, usually Jew Communists like Trotsky, being the bogeyman that made Russia fall. During this time, there is great strife, with pro-Tsar forces and Republican forces and Communists clashing in the streets and new fascist forces claiming a need for the Russian nation to stand united against outside influences and impurities. In 1923, a lieutenant general named Baron von Ungern-Sternberg marches on the Taurida Palace with what he said was 50,000 blackshirts (history points to more like 4,000 blackshirts and a large pro-Tsar mob of about 15,000) with demands to reinstate the Tsar as Emperor, expel all Jew- and Socialist-sympathizing deputies from the Duma, and proclaim Baron von Ungern to be Protector of Russia, with emergency powers to end the strife that's been causing great economic distress and to restore order to Ukraine, which had fallen into anarchy. The Duma voted unanimously.


America fell into a depression immediately after the war. The stock market crashed. All the factories selling shells to the French closed down, some banks that had lent to the British and French in hopes of them winning the war went broke. This led to bank runs all across America, with millions taking their savings home with them. Further exacerbating manners is the rise of the KKK and worsening race relations. Seeing the potential for action in such circumstances, the IWW (which was not broken up and leaders deported thanks to no passing of the Espionage Act) reunited with Daniel DeLeon and his Detroit IWW. With membership pushed up by infamous acts such as the Seattle General Strike and the March on Millionaires, the Industrial Workers of the World started building its own factories and tenements with member dues. This caused major crackdowns in Chicago, where National Guard units were called in by the Governor to evict the Wobblies who had fought off city police. This led to the burning of a tenement by the National Guard in which 127 people died, mainly women and children. With the Massacre of Chicago on everyone's mind, Eugene Debs officially joined the IWW and endorsed its platform of Syndicalism.
Enter 1924: six years into depression and strife, Eugene Debs and Daniel DeLeon run a joint ticket on the newly-formed US Labor Party. With an explicitly socialist agenda, the Labor party starts sweeping local elections, grabbing cities like Seattle and Pittsburgh and forming city Labor Syndicates to organize municipal economies. Some state legislatures even attain what would be a Labor plurality, if the Democrats and Republicans didn't enter into coalition whenever Labor tried to do anything. The election is a fiery one, with tours across the United States and coercion for votes on all three sides. When the vote for President finally comes in, the Electoral College votes 308 for Calvin Coolidge(R), 160 for John Davis(D), and 63 for Eugene Debs(L). Americans are outraged, as the popular vote put 11,832,202(40.8%) votes for Debs, 10,399,567(35.9%) for Coolidge, and 6,709,968(23.1%) for Davis. This meant that the President-Elect had lost the popular vote by almost five percent but won the Presidency by a landslide.
To socialists around America it only confirmed their worst fears, that America was not a democracy at all, but rigged for the establishment parties by the rich. Debs tried to rally his party around the 1926 election, but was soon voted out as head of the party by none other than his own running-mate Daniel DeLeon, who advocated a march on the Capitol building to confirm Debs' nomination as President. The march, organized by the Labor party and supplied by IWW Syndicate cities from around the country. Almost 100,000 people showed up to march on Congress, but the US Army First Infantry Division and the Regiment of Dragoons we encamped at the National Mall and ordered the crowd to disperse and cease "any and all seditious activity against the United States Government." This only emboldened the protesters, as many were armed with rifles and bombs. It's not known who fired first, but by the end of the day 2,000 protesters and 300 soldiers were dead, Washington was in flames, and the Second American Civil War had begun, and Union of Socialist Syndicates would rise in its wake.
 
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