Challenge: Estados Unidos de Mexico - The Super Power?

Immigration is needed especially but it's best to avoid American immigration especially with the idea of Manifest Destiny running high among the United States political elite at the time. I can imagine once Mexico manages to pull itself together that it can receive the brunt of the Irish and German immigration that happened during the 1840s.
 
Immigration is needed especially but it's best to avoid American immigration especially with the idea of Manifest Destiny running high among the United States political elite at the time. I can imagine once Mexico manages to pull itself together that it can receive the brunt of the Irish and German immigration that happened during the 1840s.

So instead of an Irish Boston we could have an Irish Monterrey or something?
 
Which, again, I support!

Vive Le Empereur!

Viva El Emperador!

You might even see a lot of French, Irish, German, and Italian influence on the evolution of the Mexican dialect of Spanish. I don't like the idea of weakening the United States as so much pretty much nullifying their chance of expansion at Mexico's expense. Mexico might even consider small ventures into colonization in the Pacific. ;)
 
More or less. You can also have Italian immigration and maybe even French immigration if Napoleon is made the monarch of a Mexican empire.

Especially the Bonapartists.

But more serious a question, what about the Catholic Church? I don't think they are going to recognize Napoleon unless... Unless...

He is baptized! :eek:

Edit: Scratch that, he was baptized at 2.
 
Especially the Bonapartists.

But more serious a question, what about the Catholic Church? I don't think they are going to recognize Napoleon unless... Unless...

He is baptized! :eek:

Edit: Scratch that, he was baptized at 2.

He could always do a Henry VIII and threaten the Church with the possible seizure of their properties in Mexico which he could use to enhance his own standing amongst the people and form his own independent Catholic Church in Mexico.
 
I don't think Napoleon would be a good choice of a monarch. For the reason that he would be diplomatic liability with Mexico's possible trade partners.

*the british don't like him
*a restored Bourbon France
*a Spain which has just suffered the devastating peninsular war
 
I don't think Napoleon would be a good choice of a monarch. For the reason that he would be diplomatic liability with Mexico's possible trade partners.

*the british don't like him
*a restored Bourbon France
*a Spain which has just suffered the devastating peninsular war

Mexico would be a nice trade partner for Britain, France and yes even Spain so I don't think they're willing to stop themselves from investing in the country even if Napoleon is there.
 
I like this thread, it's giving me excellent ideas! *shameless plug*:D

Some ideas I've seen thrown out there are Mexico gaining independence earlier. I know jycee is working on one where there is a successful Conspiracy of the Machetes in 1799, when the US isn't as much a threat.

In my own Mexico timeline, I avoid having Hidalgo and Allende killed in 1811 and the Independence movement is thus stronger from the get go.

On the topic of Central America, I think it would be wise for Mexico to let it be for the time being after Mexican Independence, but later on during the 19th century (perhaps after Central America falls to the wayside, and Mexico becomes significantly stronger, then you may have a Mexico stretching all the way down to Costa Rica.
 
how about

1803~1805 -- Spanish American War -- US gains Florida and Louisiana with the border the Sabine river north along the 92oW [Arkansas Missouri, Iowa Border OTL]

1808 - 1811 -- Mexico ends up with a Minor German Prince as King. Napoleon offered a Bonaparte, but Britain vetoed this possibility.

1812 -- 1st Mexican American War, Fought in Tejas, Mexico with GB's help doesn't lose.
This is a side show of the the US/British war of 1812.

1815 -- Peace Treaty sets south US Border along the Red River west to the Divide, and the North Border along the 48oN from GLakes west to the Divide.
In return the US got the lower [ between the Lakes part] part of the Ontario Peninsula.

1815 ~1850 -- Slow development of North Mexico.
The biggest development is several French and Italian Wine Growers settling in the Imperial & Napa Valleys, and sending Letters Home encouraging others to emigrate..
However in the 1840's a small number of Irish and Catholic Germans also settle in the Area.

1851 -- Gold in California

1852 -- 2nd Mexican American War.
Tensions over American claim to Oregon going back to Louisiana, and the desire of America for a Pacific Coastline.
Combined with American Filibusters in California drawn by the Gold Rush lead to war.

1852 -- Peace
Treaty sets US/ Mexico Border as the 43oN [ 140 miles N of OTL Californian], from the Pacific west to the Divide.
The same year the US/Canadian border is set as the 48oN extending the previous Border west from the divide to the Pacific.
This gives the US a 350 mile long Pacific Coast including Portland & Seattle.

1856 -- ACW
With no where for the Slave States to expand as Free Soilers dominate the territory along the Canadian Border, and the new Oregon territory, The ACW comes Early TTL.
The 4 years, mean that the two sides are not as uneven as even the 4 years IOTL caused.
The new President is not as ruthless as our Lincoln, No burning Norfolk, no occupying Annapolis.

1858 -- ACW ends
CS ITTL includes Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri,

1860 -- Mexican Trans Continitial
Since 1850 Mexico has been using the Californian Gold and the Nevadian Silver to force grow it's transportation net.
In 1860 the Mexican Northern Pacific reaches the US Border, and meets up with the Rails from New Orleans. The tracks stretch from NO, to San Diego.
The net also stretches from Tejas and California down both Coasts to the Mexican state of Costa Rico.

1870's - 1920's -- Italicization
In the 1870's a wave of Italian Immigrates, began arriving in Mexico, while some headed for California, and relatives. Most flooded into South Mexico and It's Cities.
During this time the 4 most popular designations were Mexico, Argentina, US, Cuba [post 1881 no Slavery].

1873 -- US Trans Continental Finished
From Chicago to Seattle, In 1879 a split in the Idaho territory had a spur going to Portland.

1890's -- Monterrey Movies.
In the 1890's Edison and other Movie makers began moving to Monterrey, the Area had great weather for Film Making, and the local Authorities were happy for the Jobs.
It Also had a large colony of Expat Americans that had been moving into Tejas and north Mexico since the 1820's.

1896
During the 1870's in Cuba, Rebels had pushed for reforms in the Government, and Spain had promissed then. However except for the promised Abolitionism of Slavery in 1881, Spain Hadn't followed thru.
So in the early 1890's The Rebellion flared up again, this time with the Goal of Independence.
Following Spain's Massacre of 5,000 Rebels, and burning of Guantanamo in 1895, that turned out to be mostly Women. Mexico Moved.
While it's Fleet wasn't equal to the British Royal Navy, It was more than a match for Spains.
Between the Blockade, of Cuba and the Spanish defeat at the Battle of the Canaries. Spain had no chance.
In 1896, Spain recognized Cuba's Independence, Turned The Canaries, & Philippines over to Mexico.
A year later Spain would sell the Spanish South Pacific to Germany.
Germany agreed to help Spain modernize, an Agreement that would come back to help them during Great War 1, and Haunt during Great War 2.

1900's -- Mazatlan Motors.
Mazatlan became the Motor Capital of the World almost by Accident.
Ricardo Marciano was a Electrician working on the Hydro Electric project in Tepic along the Lerrona River, when He meet a Girl from Mazatlan, and moved there to her Family.
Needing Work He opens a shop making Electric Cars. This was followed by Hiring her Family that worked on the Steam Engines for the Railroad, to help build Steamers.
A couple of Family Rivals opened their own Car Companies, in Town.
In the same way that Auto Manufacturers in the US consolidated from dozens at the turn of the Century, to 2 -- Fords American, and Old's General Motors -- in Eire Pennsylvania.
So to Mexico's dozens consolidated into the Big 4, in Mazatlan.

1915 -- Mexican Canal.
Mexico's first King back in 1813, had taken as a personal Quest, the Development of Mexico's Navy, and Mexico's Merchant Fleet.
The Second King had followed this in the 1850's by using the California & Nevada Riches to push Railroads across the Nation, N/S & East West.
The Third King on taking office in 1890, looked for something He could do.
He found it in the long proposed Nigerian Canal. Started in 1896 with Dredging the San Juan between Costa Rico and Nicaragua, By 1906 a series of locks could lift Ships up to Lake Nicaragua, with a canal to Lake Managua.
However the argument about how to step down to the Pacific side and where the Canal should be, started just after work started in 1896, and was still going on in 1915.

At one of the innumerable Meeting about it, the King strode in, threw down a Map of the western Coast, drew a line from San Salvador Bay up to Lake Managua, and exclaimed
"That is the Route, and if anyone objects I will sell the royal 22% and the Governments 27%, Bankrupt this Company, and start over.
10 minutes later the route carried, and the King handed the map to the Chief Engineer, with the Order "Build Me My Canal" This is why the Pacific Approach is called the Royal Canal.
 
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