Challenge:Dalmatian Language Survives

Vitruvius

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Eliminating Venetian rule would probably help. The Venetian dialect replaced Romance Dalmatian by the 16th century not just in Venetian held areas but in the Republic of Ragusa as well. Perhaps if the Hungarians had retained control of Dalmatia and delegated de facto control to a local elite Dalmatian could develop as a prestige dialect in the urban areas.

For example in the early days of the Republic of Ragusa after it broke out from under the Venetian yoke it brokered a deal with the King of Hungary that allowed it to appoint its governor from among the Ragusan Patriciate while the King remained de jure sovereign. Of course Hungary fades away, Venice moves back in to Dalmatia and dominates trade in the Adriatic and slowly Venetian replaced Ragusan-Dalmatian in the Republic. If Venetian hegemony is prevented Ragusan could possibly have continued albeit alongside the local Croatian dialect. Romance-Slavic bilingualism seems like it would be an inevitability in Dalmatia without a very early POD. But if all you want is Dalmatian survival then that would still count.
 
Eliminating Venetian rule would probably help. The Venetian dialect replaced Romance Dalmatian by the 16th century not just in Venetian held areas but in the Republic of Ragusa as well. Perhaps if the Hungarians had retained control of Dalmatia and delegated de facto control to a local elite Dalmatian could develop as a prestige dialect in the urban areas.

For example in the early days of the Republic of Ragusa after it broke out from under the Venetian yoke it brokered a deal with the King of Hungary that allowed it to appoint its governor from among the Ragusan Patriciate while the King remained de jure sovereign. Of course Hungary fades away, Venice moves back in to Dalmatia and dominates trade in the Adriatic and slowly Venetian replaced Ragusan-Dalmatian in the Republic. If Venetian hegemony is prevented Ragusan could possibly have continued albeit alongside the local Croatian dialect. Romance-Slavic bilingualism seems like it would be an inevitability in Dalmatia without a very early POD. But if all you want is Dalmatian survival then that would still count.
I think the survival of Dalmatian is more feasible if Italy and Dalmazia are still parts of byzantine.
 
For example in the early days of the Republic of Ragusa after it broke out from under the Venetian yoke it brokered a deal with the King of Hungary that allowed it to appoint its governor from among the Ragusan Patriciate while the King remained de jure sovereign. Of course Hungary fades away, Venice moves back in to Dalmatia and dominates trade in the Adriatic and slowly Venetian replaced Ragusan-Dalmatian in the Republic. If Venetian hegemony is prevented Ragusan could possibly have continued albeit alongside the local Croatian dialect. Romance-Slavic bilingualism seems like it would be an inevitability in Dalmatia without a very early POD. But if all you want is Dalmatian survival then that would still count.
yup preventing venice to unite with dalmatia will make dalmatian survive but not as a majority language of that area.
 

Vitruvius

Donor
yup preventing venice to unite with dalmatia will make dalmatian survive but not as a majority language of that area.

Well if that's your goal then as I said I think the POD would have to be very early, near the genesis of the Dalmatian language in that fuzzy period between say 700-1000AD when vulgar latin evolved into Romance languages like Dalmatian. You're probably right in that the Eastern Roman Empire would be involved somehow because it seems like someone/something would have to serve as a check against Slavic expansion in the area.

It took me a while but I managed to track down a conlang based on this premise, part of the Ill Bethisad Universe. The creator's own website is apparently gone but you can access some info on it here and here. I'm not sure about the plausibility of it as an ATL but from a linguistic standpoint its very interesting. Its unfortunate that the website detailing the conlang and its grammar has disappeared. I remember it as being quite detailed.
 
Well if that's your goal then as I said I think the POD would have to be very early, near the genesis of the Dalmatian language in that fuzzy period between say 700-1000AD when vulgar latin evolved into Romance languages like Dalmatian. You're probably right in that the Eastern Roman Empire would be involved somehow because it seems like someone/something would have to serve as a check against Slavic expansion in the area.

I agree - though it also could be likely to have some sort of heavy Slavic influence on the language (cf. Romanian), particularly the archaic dialects like Chakavian (seriously - how would a Romance language with a pitch accent consisting of at least three different tones sound? :cool:).

It took me a while but I managed to track down a conlang based on this premise, part of the Ill Bethisad Universe. The creator's own website is apparently gone but you can access some info on it here and here. I'm not sure about the plausibility of it as an ATL but from a linguistic standpoint its very interesting. Its unfortunate that the website detailing the conlang and its grammar has disappeared. I remember it as being quite detailed.

Maybe the guy's website is archived by the Wayback Machine?
 
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