Challenge: Conquest of the Mongol Empire

The Mongols conquered dozens of peoples and states, forming a vast empire across most of Asia and part of Europe.

But could anyone conquer the united Mongol Empire?

This can happen from within the empire or from outside, and can be done by any leader or group of people, as long as they are not Mongolian nobles or associated with the Mongol royal family.
 
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it depends on where and when, although if their not nomads and it's not early think it's highly unlikely, since most of their land was actually steppes. The problem with China is that it's divided, and even if were unified would a Chinese Emperor even consider an invasion and outright conquest, unless he was insane or determined enough.
 

PhilippeO

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Tatar or Turkic people ? they make large majority of Mongol soldier. Some very charismatic and successful Mongol general might decide he didn't want to be "power behind the throne" and launched coup d'etat. or he might be inspired by Islamic preacher to make sure Muslim not ruled by non-Muslim to launch his coup.
 

katchen

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If Li Zuzheng had not destroyed the Ming from within and given them the opportunity to begin the conquest of China in 1644, it is very likely that Nurhaci (rather than becoming the K'ang zhi Emperor) and his general Dorgon would have led the Manchu west to conquer the Mongols and unify the steppe tribes.
Who knows? Nurhaci might have conquered the Uzbeks, Bukhara, Samarkand and then taken even Russia as well in the 1640s to 1670s. The Manchus were strong and that was where the power vaccuums were.
I suspect that the Safavids, the Ottomans and Jan Corvinus, the Polish King might well have stopped the Manchus cold, however.
 
Probably a bit later than you were hoping for but The Soviet Union and Communist China combined already come pretty damn close. Getting the two to Unite would probably be bordering on ASB, but if they did I think you would just need Persia, Iraq, maybe Pakistan, and a solidified hold on Afghanistan to make them cover the entire Mongol Empire, and actually quite a bit extra.
 
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Probably a bit later than you were hoping for but The Soviet Union and Communist China combined already come pretty damn close. Getting the two to Unite would probably be bordering on ASB, but if they did I think you would just need Persia, Iraq, maybe Pakistan, and a solidified hold on Afghanistan to make them cover the entire Mongol Empire, and actually quite a bit extra.
I meant a polity usurping the Mongol Empire while it still existed.
 
Perhaps the conquests come from multiple directions? Indians conquer into central Asia, Russians (Muscovy) into western Siberia, Chinese into Eastern/Central Siberia?
 
Who knows? Nurhaci might have conquered the Uzbeks, Bukhara, Samarkand and then taken even Russia as well in the 1640s to 1670s. The Manchus were strong and that was where the power vaccuums were.

I suspect that the Safavids, the Ottomans and Jan Corvinus, the Polish King might well have stopped the Manchus cold, however.

You're rating the Safavids as stronger than Alexei Mikhailovich's army, man. Substantiate thy reckoning.

Not to say that the Russians were RIGHT THERE across the Amur/Around the Baikal and the Manchus never bothered with them until AFTER they got China. I mean, in theory it's not that difficult to win back the fur tribute from the Russians, but nobody ever tried other than the Qing in the 1680s and that was very limited.
 
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it depends on where and when, although if their not nomads and it's not early think it's highly unlikely, since most of their land was actually steppes. The problem with China is that it's divided, and even if were unified would a Chinese Emperor even consider an invasion and outright conquest, unless he was insane or determined enough.

Agreed. It's not that China does not have the potential. It's more of the lack of determination of the Chinese emperors.

It also doesn't help that military professions were not highly regarded due to the scholar-bureaucrats interpretations of Confucianism in term of military affairs.

The same also applies to merchants, they were also not highly regarded too...
 
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