Challenge: American Britain

Try to make Britain the only US state outside of North America, and make it relatively stable. Also, America must be at least as free and democratic as it is IOTL, and the rule must apply to Britain.
 
Before 1900? I really don't think it can be done in any way that even begins to approach plausibility.
 
Hm... I think a POD in the Civil War will work. Make the UK help the CSA a little more conspicuously, but not to full war. Irish immigration is met with open arms from vengeful Americans. Immigration speeds up, as does industrialization in the North. Eventually, have US declare war on Britain in the 1890s/1900. War lasts until, say 1907 with the US seizing most of Canada (eating and then spitting out Quebec), several Caribbean islands, Ireland, and Scotland. Since ASBs are now rampaging throughout Europe, teenage freedom fighters Hitler and Stalin team up against the American imperialists. A general war begins in Europe, with no one really understanding what's going on. Amid the chaos, America convinces England that they themselves have always been an American colony, not vice versa. President Roosevelt, in a famous quote, says "Yeah, that was a typo in some school books, stranger things have happened." He was roundly agreed with by the shrugging populace. By 1975, Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland are all states (Ireland not needing 2 states because the gov't doesn't care about religion anyways.)
 
Hm... I think a POD in the Civil War will work. Make the UK help the CSA a little more conspicuously, but not to full war. Irish immigration is met with open arms from vengeful Americans. Immigration speeds up, as does industrialization in the North. Eventually, have US declare war on Britain in the 1890s/1900. War lasts until, say 1907 with the US seizing most of Canada (eating and then spitting out Quebec), several Caribbean islands, Ireland, and Scotland. Since ASBs are now rampaging throughout Europe, teenage freedom fighters Hitler and Stalin team up against the American imperialists. A general war begins in Europe, with no one really understanding what's going on. Amid the chaos, America convinces England that they themselves have always been an American colony, not vice versa. President Roosevelt, in a famous quote, says "Yeah, that was a typo in some school books, stranger things have happened." He was roundly agreed with by the shrugging populace. By 1975, Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland are all states (Ireland not needing 2 states because the gov't doesn't care about religion anyways.)

Nice.:D:cool: Up until you mentioned the ASBs, it even sounded half-plausible.
 
Nice.:D:cool: Up until you mentioned the ASBs, it even sounded half-plausible.

Ahemhem, no, it did not.

I know, of course, that he was joking, but let me make it clear that the idea of Scotland being more willing to be incorporated into America in the early 20th C (or now) is precisely that: a joke. Not only would we rather not be ruled from Washington, thanks a bunch, but in 1907 we (although our Irish-Catholic countrymen had a differant outlook, of course; but even Ireland joining America is a bit whacky) combined being British with extreme prejudice with a simultaneous sense of specialness which would make us the last people to ditch Britain for some inferior country which isn't Scotland.
 
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Easy peasy.

On gaining independence , the US becomes a hereditary monarchy, albeit a democratic, constititional monachy.

Queen Victoria marries the King of the United States, creating a personal union between the two nations.

This is formalised into a full union around 1915.
 
Avert the American Revolution (e.g. the various suggestions seen in Thande's LTTW and other fine threads on this site).

If the American colonies remain in union with Britain and get their own representation, they will come to dominate the Union, and you will thus end up with (arguably) an American Britain.
 
Avert the American Revolution (e.g. the various suggestions seen in Thande's LTTW and other fine threads on this site).

If the American colonies remain in union with Britain and get their own representation, they will come to dominate the Union, and you will thus end up with (arguably) an American Britain.

Strangely enough that might actually be possible. Say the ARW is averted and the King decides the current parties in Parliment are to set against hem. So he stacks the House of Lords with American supporters (which he can do by issuing Summons to Parliment) which in turn help pass laws allowing American representatives in the House of Commons. Of course another POD is that the House of Commons is opened to American members as part of a settlement that averts the ARW.
 
The actual title of the thread is not hard to achieve, really. ANY BNA that takes more than half of the continent will swallow Britain, eventually.

<Shameless plug>see the TL in my sig</Shameless plug> for a non ARW PoD. In that TL, Canada will be bigger and stronger than the US (eventually), which given that the US has most of its OTL territory east of the Mississippi, means 2 World Powers by today. By that point Britain will be far less significant than *Canada (which is, of course, American, just like Mexico or Brazil is. It is not, equally of course, Usian). Mind you, what precisely happens with Britain in that TL hasn't been decided, but IF the White Dominions stay in the Empire, it will be a far more 'american' one than anything else. If India is part, well that'll be different, and Britain might declare her independence:) at some point.
 
In a scenario without a ARW could you end up with a Brazil type situation. At some point in the 19th century a member of the royal family goes to the American colonies and starts their own American royal line. From that point on have somthing happen to make a descendent of the American branch heir to both the US and British lines in the 20th century so we end up with an American centric monarch ruling Britain the way they had Dutch and Hanoverian kings in the past.
 
Charlie Stross had an interesting (though not terribly plausible) variant in the Merchant Princes series for one of the ATLs the protagonist &co. visit. Essentially, Britain proper was puppetized by the French prior to the ARW, so the King etc. fled to the colonies, which are now essentially the US + Canada (possibly also including Australia, Hawaii, parts of Africa, Mexico, SA--I have a fuzzy memory, and the book doesn't go all that much into the details). If they manage to reconquer the home islands, which is still I believe a policy goal, they will essentially have Britain as an American state.
 
I like the idea of a dog-wagging British America.

...That's all. I got nothing of merit to contribute to this thread, and yet I felt the odd need to post anyway :D
 
It could've been done in the last couple of decades, I think. A UK journalist wrote a joke article on the subject that saw surprising amounts of support and low levels of opposition. *I* think they miss their seapower.... There's also envy of our constitution.

Notice, IOTL Parliament had noticed that they would be dominated in the future and weren't happy about it; they and the King felt the domination should run strictly the other way. That's one big reason the ARW broke out. I can't see that changing before antiracism and antiimperialism broke out, after ww2.

And, Dathi, remember, Canada's never had UK Parliamentary representation either, so it wouldn't've dominated the UK, either.
 
There is that great - 1876 Britian in 1776 - TL whe had here by RampRat.

If 1876 Britain is Isoted to 1776, then 1776 Britain shows up in 1876 and becomes a American Protectorate, Leading to Statehood.
 
And, Dathi, remember, Canada's never had UK Parliamentary representation either, so it wouldn't've dominated the UK, either.
1) not OTL
2) any Empire that held together would have to have some sort of Imperial governing body, whether that be an expanded role for the Westminster Parliament (with presumably an English one being created elsewhere later) or a new body.

So, ya, the UK (or ENgland) WOULD be dominated by any successful BNA (assuming a) the Empire stays together, and b) BNA is a single entity).
 
Well, I have sort of done it in my current story "Never The Dawn"

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=146384

with the American Revolution being more akin to the French one, followed by a Napoleonic analogue, which causes a rising in Britain, and the conquest of the British Isles by the Empire across the sea

Before people attack me for plausibility, the POD is that Richard I has a son, so we have something like 500 years between that and the Albion Revolution

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
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