Challenge: Afghanistan as part of Pakistan

See, this is kind of a late start for this kind of project. Afghanistan and Pakistan used to be one country, but the Brits cut off the peace that was Pakistan after fighting a grueling war in the region.

With a PoD of 1800, the Afghans might be able to hold out. One after 1947 means someone CONQUERING a country that's resisted the Soviets--and before that, the Russians, the Brits, and that's just the latest of many. This is not easily doable, without something catastrophic happening, like a nuclear war, or something else really really bad happening.

Not likely, to say the least. Anyone who tries to grab Afghanistan will get their arm cut off.
 

Hashasheen

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what about the other way around though? perhaps the independence movmeents instead want a unified Afganistan
 
See, this is kind of a late start for this kind of project. Afghanistan and Pakistan used to be one country, but the Brits cut off the peace that was Pakistan after fighting a grueling war in the region.

With a PoD of 1800, the Afghans might be able to hold out. One after 1947 means someone CONQUERING a country that's resisted the Soviets--and before that, the Russians, the Brits, and that's just the latest of many. This is not easily doable, without something catastrophic happening, like a nuclear war, or something else really really bad happening.

Not likely, to say the least. Anyone who tries to grab Afghanistan will get their arm cut off.

When you say that Afghanistan and Pakistan were one are you sure you are not thinking of the time both current nations were part of the Persian Empire.

See Map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Persian_empire_490bc_Bactria.gif

I found what you were talking about. It seems from 1762 to 1818 there was an Afghan Empire which was also called the Durrani Empire. It did not last long.

This on the Durrani Empire which really seems to have fallen apart because of internal problems.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Durrani_Empire

Mapas%20Imperiales%20Imperio%20Durrani1.jpg
 

Baskilisk

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When you say that Afghanistan and Pakistan were one are you sure you are not thinking of the time both current nations were part of the Persian Empire.

See Map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Persian_empire_490bc_Bactria.gif

I found what you were talking about. It seems from 1762 to 1818 there was an Afghan Empire which was also called the Durrani Empire. It did not last long.

This on the Durrani Empire which really seems to have fallen apart because of internal problems.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Durrani_Empire

Mapas%20Imperiales%20Imperio%20Durrani1.jpg
Why do I find it hard to beleive that your Durrani empire had so many borders that lined up with modern ones exactly?
 
See, this is kind of a late start for this kind of project. Afghanistan and Pakistan used to be one country, but the Brits cut off the peace that was Pakistan after fighting a grueling war in the region.

With a PoD of 1800, the Afghans might be able to hold out. One after 1947 means someone CONQUERING a country that's resisted the Soviets--and before that, the Russians, the Brits, and that's just the latest of many. This is not easily doable, without something catastrophic happening, like a nuclear war, or something else really really bad happening.

Not likely, to say the least. Anyone who tries to grab Afghanistan will get their arm cut off.

Any chance the Afghans would want to join Pakistan? After all the "A" in PAK stands for Afghani.
 
If you look at the Anglo-Afghan Wars, it was the Brits slicing off Pakistan bit by bit and adding it to India.

Afghanistan would never be part of Pakistan. But parts of Pakistan (like Baluchistan for instance) would be part of Afghanistan. Pakistan is an entirely synthetic state like Iraq or Saudi Arabia. It would never exist if it weren't for meddling European imperialists.
 
If you look at the Anglo-Afghan Wars, it was the Brits slicing off Pakistan bit by bit and adding it to India.

Afghanistan would never be part of Pakistan. But parts of Pakistan (like Baluchistan for instance) would be part of Afghanistan. Pakistan is an entirely synthetic state like Iraq or Saudi Arabia. It would never exist if it weren't for meddling European imperialists.
Afghanistan would never be part of British India, but with the British gone and a Muslim state in place, a fraternal union might not be such a bad idea. After all Afghanistan was landlocked with no infrastructure or prospects for any investment. Perhaps a Soviet or Iranian threat might change minds?

A Pakistan-Afghan union would mean no Soviet-Afghan War. Afghanistan would probably remain the backwater of Pakistan but relatively peaceful.
 
@Baskilisk - Thats what the maps tend to show. This map from Wiki:

250px-Afgempdur.jpg


@ All others. This is an ethnic map of the area.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3532/newsoutheastasiahj4.png

Seems the one who drew on that map wanted a Pashtun state.

@Seryozha1987 - You are right about Pakistan being an artificial State.
I just found out about Balawaristan in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. They are officially not part of Pakistan but are under there control. Some say they were invaded in 1947.
This on Balawaristan: http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/16inter.htm
 

Baskilisk

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@Baskilisk - Thats what the maps tend to show. This map from Wiki:

250px-Afgempdur.jpg


@ All others. This is an ethnic map of the area.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3532/newsoutheastasiahj4.png

Seems the one who drew on that map wanted a Pashtun state.

@Seryozha1987 - You are right about Pakistan being an artificial State.
I just found out about Balawaristan in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. They are officially not part of Pakistan but are under there control. Some say they were invaded in 1947.
This on Balawaristan: http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/16inter.htm
That one makes more sense, but it has my other pet peeve (the first being incorrect modern borders), perfectly round borders.
 
[thread=101520]WI: Pak-Afghan confederation had become a reality?[/thread]
Would seem to be about this, in a way, but the thread never got beyond the first post.
 
If you look at the Anglo-Afghan Wars, it was the Brits slicing off Pakistan bit by bit and adding it to India.

Afghanistan would never be part of Pakistan. But parts of Pakistan (like Baluchistan for instance) would be part of Afghanistan. Pakistan is an entirely synthetic state like Iraq or Saudi Arabia. It would never exist if it weren't for meddling European imperialists.

Seryozha1987

Actually I think you'ill find the initial slicing was done by the Sikhs when they set up their empire, which Britain then took over.

The reason for Pakistan was because the majority of the local population wanted a religion orientated state because of the historical distrust between Hindus and Muslims.

Steve
 
From the Infallible Genocide

The name Pakistan (IPA: [paːkɪst̪aːn]) means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian (Farsi). It was coined in 1934 as Pakstan by Choudhary Rahmat Ali, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never.[10] The name represented the "thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of British Raj — Punjab, Afghania (also known as North-West Frontier Province), Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan.

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