Challenge: A Second American Civil War

Imagine if the United States had a civil war in the 20th century, with a POD no earlier than the end of the first civil war. Bonus points if it's not another North vs. South war.
 
?Wasn't there a made for TV movie about this?
I remember a scene where the reporter realizes some Nat Guardmen are wearing differnent Boots, like the ones from the neigboring state.
 
You know, I have no idea. I'd be surprised to see such a movie, since alternate history's not all that popular. Maybe it was a Sliders episode?
 
Interesting. Who has other ideas? I've been toying with an idea where immigrant populations still hold loyalties to their motherlands, causing problems during the Great War. But there are so many other possibilities.
 

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Interesting. Who has other ideas? I've been toying with an idea where immigrant populations still hold loyalties to their motherlands, causing problems during the Great War. But there are so many other possibilities.
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I've got a computer game called Shattered Union that goes on the premise that the US gets a totally useless President on a very slim electoral majority. He presides over a bloody awful administration, which leads to rising unrest and then just after he gets re-elected (by a hairs breath because the Supreme Court bar a number of candidates from standing) he gets blown to kingdom come at his inauguration ceremony by a low-yield nuke. The chain of command is broken so the USA shatters into different areas.
Not a bad game and I always play the European Union side.
 
Well, you could always go with the Kaissreich scenario, however the butterflies of that one are... skyscraper sized.
 
Well, I suppose that would more likely lead to gang wars and wouldn't really be effective for my goals. I was thinking that if large numbers of people move to the US for economic reasons and don't feel particularly loyal to the US's ideals, then immigrants from countries at war with each other might want to pick fights with each other, similar to a few of the Somali Americans but on a gigantic scale. This might be somewhat plausible if the US spends several decades with open immigration and a poor education system.
Or maybe the United States would try to oppress immigrants from countries they're at war with, like they did to Japanese Americans, only this time the Japanese Americans have more resources to fight back.

But maybe that sort of thing wouldn't possibly lead to a large-scale conflict.

Killer300, what is the Kaissreich scenario? I do like butterflies.
 
My ASB TL, "Come Together", was based around that idea (as the culmination of a 1960s with the disorder turned Up to Eleven). If I ever reboot it, I promise that I'll give it a (relatively) realistic treatment, complete with global chaos and bloody, bloody partisan warfare.
 
It's... complicated. Kaissreich itself is a game mod, but rather than refer you, I'll do my best to explain.

Basically, because the Central Powers win WW1(basically USA never enters WW1) widespread chaos occurs in many Entente countries. England, France, and Southern Italy(long story with that one) become Syndicalist. Not Communist, Syndicalist, which is a VERY different ideal(although totalism in the game is close at times.) Global Socialism is no longer influence by Marx as much.

In America, this leads to the 1920s having economic decay, as the Central Powers deny us access to markets, and all the countries that became Syndicalist default on all the loans we made to these countries during World War 1.

When the Great Depression hits(this time influenced originating in Berlin) the USA splits into FOUR different nations. A Syndicalist part in the Northeast led by Jack Reed, a Fascist(Fascism doesn't technically exist, but this is basically Fascism) state led by Huey Long in the South, a laize-fair nation in the West, and the USA holding at the beginning everything else(which is usually led by a Mcarthur who coups the government.) The nation names are the Combined Syndicates of America, the American Union, the Pacific States, and just the USA respectively.
 
That's cool. I'll have to look it up. And Gosing, I'll try to remember to check out Come Together sometime soon.
And as for Bachman, maybe you didn't catch that I specified a 20th century civil war, and she didn't get into politics until 2000. Just a technicality, though.
 
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