Challenge: A Modern Invasion of Britain!

Chris

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All right, some explaination first. Several people have asked if I would be interested in placing their designed worlds and timelines into a Multiverse War novel, rather than actually writing anything themselves with it;) . As one of my currently maturing plots involves Time Agents getting caught up in the middle of an invasion of britain (modern dayish, not the EU please), I offer the challenge of designing that invasion. The winner gets a starring role...

Rules:

1) There is no garentee of any money. If It gets published, somehow, I will certainly cut you in somehow, but no promises.

2) I reserve the right to edit it if I have to.

That's pretty much it, actually.

Chris
 

Thande

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I think we need more details. When's the POD? If it's after 1990 or so then I suspect it's impossible.
 
Hard to imagine. Your standard nightmare-of-Muslim-haters scenario where the Arabs and Turks overrun Europe, and only Britain is holding out? Russia recovering by a miracle?? China conquering all of Eurasia??? Maybe you could go with the US becoming a radical Protestant (Baptist? Pentecostal?) theocracy, which has conquered Canada, Australia and new Zealand and now starts its crusade to liberate Europe from its "atheist" "oppressors".
 

Chris

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I think we need more details. When's the POD? If it's after 1990 or so then I suspect it's impossible.

Basically, a point where you can get a recognisable britain; say, German victory in a later WW1, for example. Other than that, its up to the writer.

Hard to imagine. Your standard nightmare-of-Muslim-haters scenario where the Arabs and Turks overrun Europe, and only Britain is holding out?

Been done. Invasion (DC Alden)

Russia recovering by a miracle??

There's a thought.

China conquering all of Eurasia???

Also been done. Invasion (Eric L. Harry)

Maybe you could go with the US becoming a radical Protestant (Baptist? Pentecostal?) theocracy, which has conquered Canada, Australia and new Zealand and now starts its crusade to liberate Europe from its "atheist" "oppressors".

If I could figure out a way of doing it, that might work. How?

Chris
 
If I could figure out a way of doing it, that might work. How?

Well, the hardest part would be the US becoming theocratic. The RR is strong, but they don't exactly have the majority of the US actively behind them, and although for atheists like me all the anti-evolution, anti-abortion, anti-gay fundamentalist protestant churches look alike to me, this doesn't mean they've no internal differences.

Maybe we can bring in the old split of the US into Jesusland and Greater Canada, the latter being overrun by the former.

But if Britain faced a strong fundamentalist USA, the US could have a chance to win. If they don't have the means to carry out an invasion crossing an ocean, noone has.
 
Invasion - militarially or culturally? Thats the question. Also it would be possible for it to be invaded by rodents or pests and even by aggressive weeds.
 
Well, how do you define 'invasion'? Would an ostensible peacekeeping operation, even if it sets up a new British government and occupies the country, count? What if the legitimate government consented to the invasion? Does it have to be an invasion by sea? Can it be a cultural invasion, where no troops get stationed but Britain itself is radically transformed and all signs of the old order are eliminated? Or any of the above?

The original question was to 'design a modern invasion of Britain'. By 'modern', do you mean the POD has to be in the modern day with the invasion taking place in the future, or that the POD is in the past and the invasion is in the modern day?

With the question as given, I can think of several options, most of which involve technical uses of 'invasion'. Of course, some of them (cultural imperialism) wouldn't work too well in the novel...but I think peacekeeping against a hostile British government is a definite possibility.
 
I could envisage a fascist (read strongly nationalist) alliance (not Nazi) of say France, Italy and Spain doing a conquest after coming into being after WW1 and the dismemberment of Germany into smaller independent states. Gradually growing in power and influence against a more Empire conscious Britain and isolationist USA. A crisis say in the South Atlantic Argentina/Falklands drawing off the British home fleet and the trap is sprung and the French fleet seize control of the channel long enough to land a modern army.

Bit wild and rough at the edges, but worthy of consideration I hope.
 

The Sandman

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Here's my $0.02:

Britain doesn't fully recover from its economic woes of the 1980s, but the North Sea oilfields are still discovered and exploited. With Scotland seeing the rest of the UK as dragging down their prospects, they declare independence, intending to take the oil (and the revenues thereof) with them. In this situation, Britain is unwilling to just let them walk out, and it degenerates into a shooting war over the period of about a year or two. While the British initially make some gains, the Scots manage to reverse them and push the British forces southward into Yorkshire. Have the time agents show up just when things are starting to go badly for the British.
 
Another idea. There is still WW1 that ends on schedule, but perhaps with a few butterflies that result in less harsh Versailles Treaty - or maybe even having the war drag on for another year or two, resulting in an utter annihilation of the Central Powers as they are wracked from the inside by various revolutions. In the end, Germany as well as Russia go red, however, they are taken over by cooler heads, and do not start WWII, instead going towards the Cold War much earlier, by early 1940s. Italy, still under either Mussolini, or his immediate successor, calls itself "The Roman Empire" and embarks on a series of foreign adventures in Africa, but is not quite capable of making much of a dent. By 1950s or so, it is taken over from within by Communists, and becomes a part of the Comintern, which by now controls, directly or indirectly, most of Eastern and Southern Europe (although Turkey and Greece, ironically, are staunch UK/US/France allies, while Spain, though sympathetic to the Comintern, has chosen to remain neutral).

The British Empire began disintegrating by 1960s, with much support for separatist movements coming from USSR/Germany "Comintern" alliance (although the alliance is fragile, and is often in disagreement - think USSR/China relationship of OTL, albeit a bit more cordial). By mid-1980s it is, however, becoming clear that the Comintern economies are beginning to fall apart as they are unable to keep up with more robust Western European and American economies on near-war footing. Although both sides are experimenting with atomic weapons, due to a few quirks down the line a working atom bomb is either never invented, thought of as impossible, or is in very basic stages. Perhaps some sort of a treaty prohibiting the use of atomics - think Hitler's refusal to use chemical weapons for the fear of retaliation, but spread to atomic weapons as well.

By modern day, USSR and Germany are beginning to come apart, however, both still possess major military power, and are under control of aggressive leaders. Knowing that given a few more years, they are on the edge of economic collapse, they launch their invasion of Western Europe, crushing all in their way similar to OTL Blitzkrieg. These tactics tend to work mainly because with no WWII, they are still relatively new, and there are no proper counters designed for them that work.

German and Soviet fleets, while not necessarily as powerful alone as the RN, should be able to survive long enough to make a theoretic crossing, especially with years of preparation, while combined Soviet/German airforce should be a match for RAF in TTL. With control of the Baltic, there is at least a possibility of deploying a large naval force. So, think what would have happened if the Sealion was planned for years in advance by the people with the means, the technology, and the common sense needed to make it work. There you have it - communist Russians and Germans invading the UK some time around 2007...
 

The Sandman

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Well, the big issues here would be:

1) A narrow front. Given that year or two, during which Scotland would almost certainly be building up its forces to counter an increasingly aggressive Britain, they could arrange for any British push towards Edinburgh and Glasgow to be very expensive indeed.

2) British economic troubles. If Britain is in sufficiently bad shape that Scotland has jumped ship, expect them to start having problems with civilian discontent; also expect problems with funding the war effort as it drags on.

3) Outsiders. Northern Ireland is likely to go downhill fast, with the British distracted; Ireland might actually intervene just to deal with any spillover of problems in Ulster. Also, there's the reaction of other European states to consider, especially since the North Sea would probably become a war zone. And how do the USA and USSR react?

To add to the issues posed by outsiders, it occurred to me that a useful POD to weaken Britain such that Scotland would break away would be a British defeat in the Falklands War, or at best a pyrrhic victory that sees the RN badly weakened. Would that work to set up the conditions for a Scottish War of Independence?
 
Not really, I'd look more to an attempted socialist/communist takeover possibly the USSR's last gasp at power. Than an actual invasion, Scotland might have some troops, but England has a hell of a lot more. Also a weakened RN will still be able to cut off Scotland's oil.
 

The Sandman

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Not really, I'd look more to an attempted socialist/communist takeover possibly the USSR's last gasp at power. Than an actual invasion, Scotland might have some troops, but England has a hell of a lot more. Also a weakened RN will still be able to cut off Scotland's oil.

That's why I asked what the foreign aspect would look like. In this situation, Scotland has considerable potential wealth, while Britain is on a definite downward trajectory. Who would the other major powers support?

Furthermore, in this situation, what would the split in the British Army look like? I'm assuming here that the Scottish units probably go with Scotland, but I'm not sure what proportion of the Army is Scottish. Ditto for the RN and RAF.

Plus, as I mentioned, the basic idea is that a British invasion of Scotland is repulsed with heavy losses; the invasion of Britain is Scotland's response in the hopes of forcing the British to the table. The Scots aren't trying to break through prepared British defenses, they're trying to finish the job of breaking a retreating army.
 
America turned fundamentalist.
Sees Britain with its not-quite-in-the-EU status as the perfect stepping stone to attacking Europe.


Hey it had to be said :p
 

ninebucks

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France, Spain, Italy and Belgium descend into fascism during the inter-war period, they form the Romantic League.

The Romantic League survives WWII, and through economic liberalisation and corporate economics manages to become one of the wealthiest economic blocs in the world.

By the 1980s, the Computer Revolution is taking place. Old economic theories have become obsolete as huge quantities of money can now be transported in the blink of an eye. All states in the Western World have trouble adapting to this, especially Britain with its leviathan welfare state.

Luckily for the Romantic League, the start of this crisis coincides with the deaths of a generation of particularly harsh dictators. A power vacuum spread the League as it plods along under the leadership of 'caretaker dictators'. From this background emerges a Moderniser. He invigorates the League, brings it into closer political union and begins a drastic course of remilitarisation.

The Moderniser blames the RL's woe's on the Anglo-Saxon world finance system. And, after whipping his populace into a frenzy, launches an invasion of Britain in 1993.
 

Chris

Banned
America turned fundamentalist.
Sees Britain with its not-quite-in-the-EU status as the perfect stepping stone to attacking Europe.


Hey it had to be said :p

You're not helping:D

I really need a lot of chaos going on. A Scot-Eng war...damn, that puts me and Thande on opposing sides (how will we ever get our book completed if we will be charged with treason?). It's not a bad thought, on the other hand; I could take the UK Civil War of 2015 as I did it in Gunpowder Plot. I have actually throught about a book about a scot-eng war...

Anyway, by invasion, I mean a direct military invasion, like Operation Sealion (Yes, I know; bad Chris:D ).

Chris
 
A nuke is set of by Chechen separatist in Russia killing 10,000 Russian soldiers and 300,000 Russian citizens. Russia nukes Chechnya, then mines all around it and salts the area with long lasting radioactive isotopes. Russia starts a new alliance of former Soviet nations, The Soviet League of Nations. The KGB is brought back in force. The military budget quadruples. It’s discovered that Alexander Litvinenko (who died of radiation poisoning) had been working with former Russian billionaires in Britain to take Russia back into a Yeltsin oligarchy. Alexander Rutskoi wins election to the presidency on a campaign of tracking down all the instigators of the nuke attack. Britain starts handing suspected terrorist to the Soviet League of Nations. Many suspects go into hiding; the Soviet League of Nations demands to be allowed to send troops to search for them. Britain refuses. A second nuke detonates in Moscow, killing a million. The Soviet League of Nations launches a full scale invasion of Britain. An EMP style nuke is set off above Britain to destroy most of Britain’s communications. Submarines destroy the undersea communication cables. Old Russian satellites are put on a collision course with communication satellites that cover Britain. Britain is cut off from the world and confused. 50,000 Soviet League of Nations troops arrive by train through the Chunnel dressed as tourist. They capture key installations. By using small island as refueling depots helicopters can be flown from Russia to Britain by way of the artic circle. Fake communications are set up to confuse Britain. Phony versions of British news broadcast are started up in Britain by the landing troops. Most British don't know there’s an invasion happening for days, they think there is a series of large terrorist attacks happening, and that they need to stay indoors. Other countries get the same impression. The major bridges and roads intersections are blown up. British military units are trapped in individual sectors, to be eliminated each in turn. The Australian president goes on air demanding Soviet League of Nations withdraws from Britain; the news media labels him as nuts. The Soviet League president Alexander Rutskoi calls the United States President and tells them that the Soviet League is helping Britain to deal with a nuclear reactor meltdown.

After the first day is over the world begins to realize yep the unthinkable has happened, Britain’s been invaded. The Soviet League has control of many major installations across Britain and plants nukes in major cities, in effect holding them hostage. Britain’s army still fights, Scotland is largely unconquered. About half of England itself is still unconquered. France blows up the Chunnel and says it’s not getting involved in this war. Spain sends ships to help Britain. America can only send limited troops with a dangerous standoff with China over the fate of Japan also taking place. Big air battles take places as American aircraft carriers try to cut off the Soviet leagues supply chain to their forces in Britain. Europe is in the midst of riots by many not wanting to be involved with a British war. NATO is politically fractured. Only half the countries send military aid, and only days later. British forces launch nukes at the Soviet league. None get past the missile defenses, they are all destroyed. The Soviet league nukes Lancaster in response. The war wages on for 3 months, till the Soviet league forces are on the verge of defeat. Two million British are dead. The Soviet League threatens to detonate all nukes buried in the major cities of Britain, by then Britain has smuggled 30 nukes into Russia and threatens to set them all off. The war sorts ends with a ceasefire, no formal treaty. With both sides holding each others cities hostage. The Soviet League is certain that the Brits must have been in on the earlier attacks the whole time to get so many nukes smuggled into Russia.
 
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CalBear

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What are the parameters?

I can give you at least five workable, with varying degree of OTL connection, scenarios, maybe more.
 
Here are all the possibiltys I can think of.
France-1.Europe is divided over its stance towards the US,and France and Britain go opposite ways.During World War 3,France trys to invade England,in this case Im inclined to expect an decisive British victory.2.France is commie for some reason,trys to invade England.
Ireland-Country is taken over by wildeyed nationalist groups like the IRA,Sinn Fein and fellow travelers.It forces Northern Ireland into the Republic of Ireland,then 1.does some crazyshit invasion of Wales to support "Celtic brethern" or something.
2.Rockall island/boulder/whatever it is dispute escalates into war with Britain.
Germany-World War 1 doesnt happen,so the German Empire is still around.Germany still has an army,and uses it.It attempts an invasion of England after it defeats France.Could go either way.
2.World War 2 ended in a negotiated peace(no American involvement?No Soviet involvement?)and so Nazi Germany still exists.It licks its wounds,rebuilts its forces,than develops a big,surprise invasion of England.
Scandinavia-ASB in timetraveling Vikings?With Ak-47s?:p .2.Communist Scandinavia,with a hot Cold War.(Successful Soviet invasion of Finland being the POD maybe?)
Americans-a lot of different PODs I can think of,over several decades.Some pretty recent,others way back.Any way,though,Britain is toast in this scenario.
 
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