Challange: Superheros and the right to keep and bear arms

Its somewhat logical to consider superpowers as wepons so your task is to make a popular culture where superheros is seen as a symbol for the 2nd amendment instead of the gay rights conection made in OTL.
 
Berra said:
Its somewhat logical to consider superpowers as wepons so your task is to make a popular culture where superheros is seen as a symbol for the 2nd amendment instead of the gay rights conection made in OTL.

In "X-Men III," the President questions the "implications for democracy" of a man able to move an entire city with his mind (he was probably referring to Magneto or Xavier).

Some people on the Old Board (I think) said that the existance of superpowered humans would disprove any notions of human equality, while someone else said "it's either us or them" and called for genocide.

Have a comic or comics where the government tries to regulate or suppress people with superhuman abilities out of fear they could challenge the government--the first "X-Men" movie had Senator Kelly calling for mutant registration because he pointed out that a mutant with powers like Shadowcat (pass through walls) could sneak into a bank...or the White House!

Heck, the parallel could be made between mutant registration and gun registration--Magneto feared mutant registration would be the first step towards a new Holocaust, while Second Amendment supporters (incl. me) think it's the first step towards gun confiscation.
 
Berra said:
Its somewhat logical to consider superpowers as wepons so your task is to make a popular culture where superheros is seen as a symbol for the 2nd amendment instead of the gay rights conection made in OTL.

Actually he Superhero rights question is based on gay rights, but equal rights for all. The modern version coming out of the X-men and the Civil Rights movement that was going on when they were created in 1963. Gay rights have just been appended on it.

Torqumada
 
X-Men had been inspired by the civil rights perioda (not just gay rights). Just the mutant subtext, it's an alegory against racism...
 
Ubbergeek, that is what I said, or at least tried to. There is a typo in my post, and I can't seem to edit it.

Torqumada
 
Torqumada said:
See Marvel's recent Civil War storyline for answers to those kinds of questions.

Torqumada

Does that tie into "House Of M" where 95% or so of the mutants on Earth lose their powers?

Someone noted that the remaining mutants would be MUCH easier to control in such a situation.
 
MerryPrankster said:
In "X-Men III," the President questions the "implications for democracy" of a man able to move an entire city with his mind (he was probably referring to Magneto or Xavier).

Some people on the Old Board (I think) said that the existance of superpowered humans would disprove any notions of human equality, while someone else said "it's either us or them" and called for genocide.

Have a comic or comics where the government tries to regulate or suppress people with superhuman abilities out of fear they could challenge the government--the first "X-Men" movie had Senator Kelly calling for mutant registration because he pointed out that a mutant with powers like Shadowcat (pass through walls) could sneak into a bank...or the White House!

Heck, the parallel could be made between mutant registration and gun registration--Magneto feared mutant registration would be the first step towards a new Holocaust, while Second Amendment supporters (incl. me) think it's the first step towards gun confiscation.
Merry, the thing is though that as the X-Men comics are now, Magneto's opinion is seen as wrong by many of the "good guys".
 
MerryPrankster said:
Does that tie into "House Of M" where 95% or so of the mutants on Earth lose their powers?

Someone noted that the remaining mutants would be MUCH easier to control in such a situation.

Actually, as of the last issue of the Civil War books, the remaining mutants, as a group, are pretty much sitting out the Civil War. The X-men are going to be involved in some way, but this involves all of the American heroes and villians. Basic premise is this: For years (since the first Kree/Skrull war) there has been a Marvel version of the illuminati composed of Iron Man, Dr Strange, Mr Fantasic, the Black Panther, Professor X and Namor. They meet from time to time to discuss issues, but never really take direct action. For some reason, Tony Stark, decides that heroes need to be under control of the government and pushes for the rest of the Illuminati to help him. Some say yes, some no. Then there is a serious accident when some heroes try to capture a villian on national TV and civilians are killed. The US government goes into action, passing a superhero registration act, pitting hero against hero. Captain America is against registration as are others. I won't spoil who is where, becasue, to be honest, some of the choices don't make sense to me. That is the basics of the series.

Torqumada
 
luakel said:
Merry, the thing is though that as the X-Men comics are now, Magneto's opinion is seen as wrong by many of the "good guys".

I think most of the protagonists in the X-men series do not disagree with Magneto's opposition to things like mutant registration so much as they disagree with his belief that the only way to avoid a mutant holocaust is to kill all the Humans first.
 
Actually Very Simple...

It is actually very simple to pull off, provided that the proper superhero titles are invoked. Imagine a scenario wherein the superheroes are blamed for a major disaster wherein the reason is blamed on the technological weaponry of the major characters. This could be based on the theft of a superheroes' weapon, or a similar technology is utilized by the villians. As such the results:

DC Universe- For Superman, consider the idea that a villian is selling kryptonite bullets/weapons to major crime syndicates (e.g. Intergang)...
-For Batman, Lex Luthor through his dealings with Wayne Enterprises is developing weapons for villians on the street...

Marvel Universe- Simply combine elements of the storyline of "Armor Wars" storyline of Iron Man with the terrorist elements of Nick Fury's "Secret War" storyline, wherein Latveria is arming supervillians with deadly technology...
 
Its not ASB. The question is how we could have a change in popular culture. Its just a question that has somthing to do with fiction, not a question about what would happen in fiction. Its like my question "What if they dont have Gillian Anderson in X-files", thats definetly post 1900 but "what if Agent Scully was killed" is ASB.

My question is if the super hero comics could be assosiated with the right to keep and bear arms and not the civil rights issue as OTL.
 
Berra said:
Its not ASB. The question is how we could have a change in popular culture. Its just a question that has somthing to do with fiction, not a question about what would happen in fiction. Its like my question "What if they dont have Gillian Anderson in X-files", thats definetly post 1900 but "what if Agent Scully was killed" is ASB.

My question is if the super hero comics could be assosiated with the right to keep and bear arms and not the civil rights issue as OTL.
Oh I get your meaning now, with what the replies were mentioning it seemed to be getting turned into a real world superhero thing.
 
Mr_ Bondoc said:
It is actually very simple to pull off, provided that the proper superhero titles are invoked. Imagine a scenario wherein the superheroes are blamed for a major disaster wherein the reason is blamed on the technological weaponry of the major characters. This could be based on the theft of a superheroes' weapon, or a similar technology is utilized by the villians. As such the results:

DC Universe- For Superman, consider the idea that a villian is selling kryptonite bullets/weapons to major crime syndicates (e.g. Intergang)...
-For Batman, Lex Luthor through his dealings with Wayne Enterprises is developing weapons for villians on the street...

Marvel Universe- Simply combine elements of the storyline of "Armor Wars" storyline of Iron Man with the terrorist elements of Nick Fury's "Secret War" storyline, wherein Latveria is arming supervillians with deadly technology...

Mr Bondoc, see Marvel's recent Civil War series and the end of The Battle for Bludhaven. Both DC and Marvel are taking care of that right now.

Torqumada
 
My question is if the super hero comics could be assosiated with the right to keep and bear arms and not the civil rights issue as OTL.
Since the powers would be part of you, as opposed to a weapon (leaving off IM or Spidey's webshooters), I'd say no. It's a "do I have the same rights as you, even tho I can turn you into a pumpkin?" question. That's equal rights, not the right to bear arms. What you're after is Tony asking, "Do I have the right to wear armor?" (Or, The Punisher asking, "Do I have the right to carry a grenade launcher?":p) And AFAIK, Xmen (1 syllable) always framed it that way, even the Loki (?) story where humans gained powers, but lost artistic or other talents.
 
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