Challange: Make Absolut Vodka ad a reality

Make this map represent the real world at present day. Good Luck. Buena Suerte.:)
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To answer your question, I suppose the Texas Revolution would have to fail...but thats just ASB...:p
 

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Oh Oh!


Last time this thing showed up it wasn't pretty.

Wait until I finish popping the corn. This could be interesting.
 

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Mexico doesn't have the organization to hold on to the American West. It would need early PoDs that would be just as likely to butterfly Mexico away.
 
Texas Revolution fails, and Clay is elected in '44?

Gold then not discovered in California until a number of years later, when Juarez has managed to consolidate control over the country. When gold in California is discovered, Juarez moves to assert greater central control over California, and is successful.

With no western expansion and the Missouri Compromise still in effect the Slave States have no prospect of further expansion of the "peculiar institution".

The lack of western expansion leads to less regional tension, which leads to the continuation of the Whig-Democrat two-party system, which leads to no civil war. Industrialization proceeds, and in the 1870's slavery is finally dealt with on a Federal level. Despite threats of secession from some fire-eaters in South Carolina and Georgia, the "Bondage Act of 1873" passes with bi-partisan support.

Radical Abolitionist in the North were unhappy with the Bondage Act as well, which set a date after which no more children born to slaves would follow the bondage of the their parents. The end of the previous slave system leads to something akin to share cropping of OTL, and the "Bondage Act of 1888" ends the institution of slavery altogether, freeing those people not covered under the previous bill.

Industrialization continued throughout the late 19th century. Though several times the United States came close to war with Mexico (foreign wars being the best solution to domestic [labor] unrest) these situations passed. The United States enjoyed de facto control of many Mexican mineral resources, as the vibrant industrial enconomy in the US created corporations whose reach extended across the Western Hemisphere. This led to several "interventions" in internal Mexican politics in order to maintain the pro-American status-quo

The continued dominance of American corporations in the Mexican economy led to the North American Union in 1904, a free trade pact that eventually dropped the "North" from its name as it expanded to include a number of other American backed regimes.
 
So what is the advert trying to say? That if the Mexicans had been supplied with Absolut Vodka, they might have been more successful?
 
A somewhat less than serious answer

Hmmm, the American Revolution fails and the rebels flee to Spanish Mexico where they inter-marry with the local elite, which adopts a mix of both cultures. During the Napoleonic Wars this new elite rises up and declares independence when Spain is at its lowest ebb.

Meanwhile, the American colonies have remained British but have not greatly expanded; the Canada colonies slowly adopt their own identity (they seem themselves as 'loyalists' unlike the American colonies who are 'children of foul rebels'). The new government in Mexico starts to expand and does the whole 'give me your tired, weak, etc' thing and so all the Europeans go there (rather than the USA OTL), giving them the population to expand into the territory to the west of the American colonies.

In the 20th Century Mexico emerges as a major power and after the 2nd Great European War, the British (though a victor) are exhausted and start to give independence to their colonies, two new nations emerge in North America as the Canadians still refuse to be associated with the 'rebels' and become independent as the Royal and Loyal Dominion of Canada, a wealthy and peaceful land. the 'United States' is a weak and undeveloped place, still dependent on Britain for aid, developments and defence against Mexico.

:D
 
I think it is trying to say that in a perfect (absolut) world, Mexico would be that big(a perfect world to Mexicans anyway).

But they stopped running the ad when some Americans (keep in mind this ad was only shown in Mexico) got their knickers in a knot and wouldn't stop screaming about how un-American vodka, Mexico, Absolut, and this ad are. Then they took down the ad. :rolleyes:
 
But they stopped running the ad when some Americans (keep in mind this ad was only shown in Mexico) got their knickers in a knot and wouldn't stop screaming about how un-American vodka, Mexico, Absolut, and this ad are. Then they took down the ad. :rolleyes:
Troll's remorse mixed with the perplexing desire to placate butthurt moral guardians who will never buy your product anyway.

(Or for a more cynical explanation: a Swedish vodka company creates a controversial ad in a Spanish-speaking country, it gets lots and lots of free airtime in an English-speaking country via piss-off comentators and amused youtubers, and people on both sides of the Rio Grande learn that a Swedish vodka company exists).
 
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With the exception of the bottle of Absolut in hte corner, that is a pretty well-done map.
That depends on what peroid it's trying to portray. Because if it's going for Norteamerica circa 1840 then they fudged up a bit with the Oregon territory, sense the USA and Britian both held claims to it. Also quite a few Central and South American countries have incorrect names and borders for the period.
 
Hmmm, the American Revolution fails and the rebels flee to Spanish Mexico where they inter-marry with the local elite, which adopts a mix of both cultures. During the Napoleonic Wars this new elite rises up and declares independence when Spain is at its lowest ebb.

Meanwhile, the American colonies have remained British but have not greatly expanded; the Canada colonies slowly adopt their own identity (they seem themselves as 'loyalists' unlike the American colonies who are 'children of foul rebels'). The new government in Mexico starts to expand and does the whole 'give me your tired, weak, etc' thing and so all the Europeans go there (rather than the USA OTL), giving them the population to expand into the territory to the west of the American colonies.

In the 20th Century Mexico emerges as a major power and after the 2nd Great European War, the British (though a victor) are exhausted and start to give independence to their colonies, two new nations emerge in North America as the Canadians still refuse to be associated with the 'rebels' and become independent as the Royal and Loyal Dominion of Canada, a wealthy and peaceful land. the 'United States' is a weak and undeveloped place, still dependent on Britain for aid, developments and defence against Mexico.

:D

The first paragraph reminds me of "For Want of a Nail", although the details are different.

Its still unlikely that the alternate 'USA' would be weaker than the alternate 'Canada' - the USA still has more good farmland and is overall a better place to settle, plus the fact that even without any new immigration at all the natural birth rate of the 'USA' would make for a pretty large population.
 
The first paragraph reminds me of "For Want of a Nail", although the details are different.

Its still unlikely that the alternate 'USA' would be weaker than the alternate 'Canada' - the USA still has more good farmland and is overall a better place to settle, plus the fact that even without any new immigration at all the natural birth rate of the 'USA' would make for a pretty large population.

I was being a little less than serious :D Interesting the 'For want...' as its one I've not read.

Of course in my strange little mind this USA would be weaker than Canada, simply because I wished it so and given the silly reaction the advert caused I just felt sillyness was the order of the day :D
 
That depends on what peroid it's trying to portray. Because if it's going for Norteamerica circa 1840 then they fudged up a bit with the Oregon territory, sense the USA and Britian both held claims to it. Also quite a few Central and South American countries have incorrect names and borders for the period.
That's exactly what they're not trying to portray.

Well, Texas and the Mexican War cannot happen. So, Mexican Civil War. The five hundred or so :)p) different sides co-operate for the history books, and one side manages to win quite handily. Then, they build up a worthy army (moreso than OTL) and keep American colonists from entering Texas.

In America, the need for manifest destiny must be stifled. So, say the Louisiana Purchase goes down far worse than OTL, and people are angry with Jefferson for overstepping his bounds.

With the British, more of an 'it happens like OTL by random action' for the Canadian border.

Central and South America, like the Canadian border, is one of those quirky areas that end up nearly the same ATL as OTL.


Note: This ad is not offensive in any way. There is no other reason but idiocy on the offended Americans' part for why this ad was pulled. And, if anything, Absolut accomplished something even better than their plan, because, as a fellow above me mentioned, they got free publicity, and loads of it. I would have never looked twice at Absolut vodka until I saw this ad.
 
And for a reversal of the Mexico-wank:

Santa Anna does worse in suppressing the various splinter states that arose after he centralized the Mexican government. So we'll say that Republican forces are bigger and have better tactics than in OTL, and the Battle of Zacatecas is a phyric victory for the Santa Anna, rather than a campaign-winning rout. Despite the capture of their capital, the Zacatecas state militia takes to the countryside as a guerrilla force and the government is able to join the Republic of the Rio Grande, though this too is defeated in open battle from open battle as in OTL. The Republic of the Rio Grande, the Republic of Texas and the Republic of the Yucatan form an alliance and all three gain their independence after a four year war (Santa Anna becomes more cautious leading to a war of attrition rather than any one decisive battle as in OTL). Mexico is so weakened by these and other republican uprisings that it breaks down into a confederation of mutually allied but fiercly independent states, and for whatever reason the United States fails to annex Texas (maybe as a compromise to disuade the French, British and Spanish from trying to carve up the rest of the country).

Not sure where to go from here.
 
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If that's the motive behind this ad then I'd love to see the version that they broadcast in Germany and Austria:D

http://www.tommcmahon.net/2008/04/in-a-truly-abso.html

or

http://movementyouneed.com/2008/04/06/absolut-ly-lame/

or

http://www.nomansblog.com/index.php/2008/04/06/effluent-rants/more-its-an-absolut-world-hilarity/

No? There's moral outrage and then there's totally unapt comparisons, like those above.
But it's of coursepolitically correct to compare Mexico to Nazi Germany. Mexicans are just damn dirty illegals and Germans are, well, just Germans.
 
http://www.tommcmahon.net/2008/04/in-a-truly-abso.html

or

http://movementyouneed.com/2008/04/06/absolut-ly-lame/

or

http://www.nomansblog.com/index.php/2008/04/06/effluent-rants/more-its-an-absolut-world-hilarity/

No? There's moral outrage and then there's totally unapt comparisons, like those above.
But it's of coursepolitically correct to compare Mexico to Nazi Germany. Mexicans are just damn dirty illegals and Germans are, well, just Germans.

After reading those articles, I want to hit whoever wrote them... :mad:
 
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