challange: Indepentent Kingdom of Mexico - Pre 1770's

[DuQuense]

?So how do whe get a Independent Mexico, Before the America Revolution.?

 

[Jer8m8]

I know more about the Incas, and the fall of their empire, than I do about the Aztecs...

But anyways, Columbus arrives in 1492 to the Caribbean, but have exploration after that spread out much more slowly, so that small pox reaches and ravages the Aztec Empire before actual Spaniards arrive. Once they arrive, I imagine the Spaniards can still win, but with an even greater native population that in OTL..

Perhaps the Spanish keep the Empire as a vassal/tributary state/something similar, and, I don't know anything about the Aztec dynastical system, but have a Spanish controlled Kingdom...

then you can have a revolt about "taxation without representation..."

 

[DuQuense]

I was thinking more like Younger son ??? of the Hasburgs, or maybe Louis Borbon doesn't die in 1725, and Charles III take over, Or ?????????.

 

[Burton K Wheeler]

I've played with this idea a lot, actually. Thande had the Spanish royals flee to New Spain during alt-Carlist wars, but that comes a bit late for your suggestion.

I'd probably say that Hapsburg Spain would be more likely to spin off the New World colonies entirely, since the Bourbon Reforms removed a lot of local power and returned it to Spain.

I'd also REALLY like to see the King of Mexico/Emperor of New Spain to be a descendent of Montezuma. Besides the Counts of Moctezuma, a number of Spanish noble houses claimed descent from him.

EDIT: If a Viceroy is going to become Emperor of New Spain, I like this guy the best.

 

[Tocomocho]

EDIT: If a Viceroy is going to become Emperor of New Spain, I like this guy the best.

A ship arrived in Veracruz on March 6, 1701 carrying the news of the death of King Charles II of Spain on November 1, 1700. Charles II left no heir. The War of the Spanish Succession, between Spain and France on the one hand and Austria, England and Holland on the other, began, to determine his successor. Sarmiento y Valladares was publicly known as a supporter of the Habsburg claims to the Spanish throne, but the Bourbons were in control there. The viceroy was removed from office and ordered to return to Spain. Bishop Juan Ortega y Montañés was once again named interim viceroy.

Lolz. There is a potential there I didn't know a bit about...
So the key is having some sort of anti-Bourbon sentiment taking root in Mexico in the 1690s like it did in Catalonia&Valencia and... boom!

Alternatively, there is always Aranda's Commonwealth project there:

In Paris, analyzing the situation created after the United States won its independence, he drafted a projected Commonwealth for the Spanish Empire: three independent kingdoms (Peru, Tierra Firme (New Grenada and Venezuela) and Mexico) with three Spanish infantes in their thrones. The Spanish king would remain as the Spanish Emperor[1].

 

[Burton K Wheeler]

Lolz. There is a potential there I didn't know a bit about...
So the key is having some sort of anti-Bourbon sentiment taking root in Mexico in the 1690s like it did in Catalonia&Valencia and... boom!

I can't make a guess as to why he went along with the recall. As near as I can tell, the Wiki article quotes the source nearly in full and doesn't tell us much about him. Most of the Viceroys of New Spain weren't terribly aggressive or ambitious people, so maybe dissent just never occurred to him. Also, would there have been any degree of support among the Mexican criollos for an independent Empire?

I guess this is a case where the althistorian can just handwave an heir of Montezuma on the throne given the general paucity of evidence. Anyone have any handy sources (Spanish-language ones are fine) that might help me?