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False Dmitri

I'm sure this has been done to death, probably before I joined the board. So rather than pose another what-if, I'll ask for recommendations.

Are there any good "Al Gore wins in 2000" timelines?

If there aren't any good ones, might exploring such a timeline be worthwhile now, a week before the last day of the Bush presidency, with the benefit a certain amount of hindsight?
 

Lord Grattan

Benkarnell said:
Hm, no replies. Is it the bad pun? :eek: So nobody can recall a good thought-out "President Gore" timeline?
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I like the punny title. I suggest you do a forum search to see what's been posted on this topic in the past.

Here's one thought - after an 8 year Gore presidency (presuming he won re-election in 2004, which would not have been a given, over John McCain) we might be looking toward the inaguration of Jeb Bush as POTUS on January 20, following a truly historic race in which a woman, Congresswoman Candice Miller was elected Vice President, a major political party nominated an African-American, Barak Obama, for President.
 

Constantinople

Banned
Here is my try at a timeline

Gore Wins the Presidency-2000


November 5th-

Major media outlets proclaim Al Gore as narrow winner of Florida's popular vote, giving him the electoral votes needed to secure victory in the election

January 20th 2001- January 20th 2009

See OTL January 20th 2001- January 20th 2009
 

False Dmitri

Constantinople said:
Here is my try at a timeline

Gore Wins the Presidency-2000


November 5th-

Major media outlets proclaim Al Gore as narrow winner of Florida's popular vote, giving him the electoral votes needed to secure victory in the election

January 20th 2001- January 20th 2009

See OTL January 20th 2001- January 20th 2009
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Fortunately, the media do not choose the President. Unfortunately, in 2000 the Supreme Court felt the need to weigh in instead.

I was reading a couple of earlier threads in which consensus seemed to be that a Gore presidency would not have changed much, that many of Bush's policies were somehow inevitable. I'll add to those threads, I suppose, but I couldn't disagree more. Bush's personality, worldview, and tactics have had an enormous impact on the state of the world today.
 

Wendell

Benkarnell said:
Fortunately, the media do not choose the President. Unfortunately, in 2000 the Supreme Court felt the need to weigh in instead.

I was reading a couple of earlier threads in which consensus seemed to be that a Gore presidency would not have changed much, that many of Bush's policies were somehow inevitable. I'll add to those threads, I suppose, but I couldn't disagree more. Bush's personality, worldview, and tactics have had an enormous impact on the state of the world today.
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The Supreme Court was petitioned to hear Bush v. Gore. It did not just unilaterally get involved.
 
Thande

Thande

Donor
And there was me thinking this was going to be about a Sudan that somehow absorbs Ethiopia...
 

Zyzzyva

Lord Grattan said:
I like the punny title. I suggest you do a forum search to see what's been posted on this topic in the past.

Here's one thought - after an 8 year Gore presidency (presuming he won re-election in 2004, which would not have been a given, over John McCain) we might be looking toward the inaguration of Jeb Bush as POTUS on January 20, following a truly historic race in which a woman, Congresswoman Candice Miller was elected Vice President, a major political party nominated an African-American, Barak Obama, for President.
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Nope - in one of the most bizarrely Star Trek-linked events in history, his career is butterflied away, for a couple of years at least.
 

Xen

Banned
Forget Florida just have Gore win any other state, New Hampshire and West Virginia come to mind, either state would have given him the needed Electoral Votes to be elected President, in fact it is believed if Gore did not just outright ignore WV while Bush spent money and time campaigning in the Mountain State, he would have won it. So Gore spends a couple of days in West Virginia making stops in Charleston, Wheeling, Morgantown, Huntington, and Beckley and narrowly wins the state in November.

Will 9/11 still happen? This can be argued one way or the other, but for the sake of argument lets say it does still occur, the US is thrust into a war in Afghanistan, and in spite of the neo-con rhetoric the US will be involved in Afghanistan. However will Gore win re-election? I doubt it, the US hit economic hard times after 9/11 and it is very likely John McCain (again for the sake of argument) runs against Gore in 04 comparing him to Clinton, in which Gore responds if Senator McCain wanted to run against Bill Clinton he should have done so in 1996. {Though being compared to Bill Clinton would only be bad in the eyes of neo-cons at that point}

However in 2004 McCain defeats Gore ending 12 years of a Democratic White House, and is fairly popular. Without the Iraqi war which I doubt Gore would have gotten involved in, the economy is doing okay in 2008 which allows John McCain to defeat Hillary Clinton in the election, Barrack Obama deciding not to run, and we get spared the nightmare that is Sarah Palin.

Already looking forward to 2012, pundits are predicting Vice President Fred Thompson will be a sure thing for the GOP nomination and are looking at Barrack Obama, and John Edwards as the likely nominees for the DNC.
 

False Dmitri

Xen said:
Forget Florida just have Gore win any other state, New Hampshire and West Virginia come to mind, either state would have given him the needed Electoral Votes to be elected President, in fact it is believed if Gore did not just outright ignore WV while Bush spent money and time campaigning in the Mountain State, he would have won it. So Gore spends a couple of days in West Virginia making stops in Charleston, Wheeling, Morgantown, Huntington, and Beckley and narrowly wins the state in November.
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Indeed - and, if one other state (like WV) swings Al's way, there is no mess in Florida because it wouldn't decide the election either way.

Xen said:
Will 9/11 still happen?
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Well, how long had al-Qaida been planning the attacks? My gut tells me a very long time, but what is the current intelligence on that (as far as can be found out)?

Xen said:
This can be argued one way or the other, but for the sake of argument lets say it does still occur, the US is thrust into a war in Afghanistan, and in spite of the neo-con rhetoric the US will be involved in Afghanistan.
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Agreed. Afghan war seems unavoidable with the Taliban sheltering a-Q.

Xen said:
However will Gore win re-election? I doubt it, the US hit economic hard times after 9/11 and it is very likely John McCain (again for the sake of argument) runs against Gore in 04 comparing him to Clinton, in which Gore responds if Senator McCain wanted to run against Bill Clinton he should have done so in 1996. {Though being compared to Bill Clinton would only be bad in the eyes of neo-cons at that point}
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Very true; Clinton left office with relatively high approval ratings, but Gore still felt the need to distance himself from Bill because he was politically unpalatable. But depending on how Al plays it, he could do as GWB did in real life and make the argument about switching Presidents in wartime.

Xen said:
However in 2004 McCain defeats Gore ending 12 years of a Democratic White House, and is fairly popular. Without the Iraqi war which I doubt Gore would have gotten involved in, the economy is doing okay in 2008 which allows John McCain to defeat Hillary Clinton in the election, Barrack Obama deciding not to run, and we get spared the nightmare that is Sarah Palin.
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I agree that there definitely would be no Iraq war. The fact that there ever was an Iraq War is fairly ASB in my opinion.

But while the very high national debt was caused partly by the war, and that debt contributed to the current economic fiasco, the root causes are in the financial system, those odd mortgage-backed securities getting traded around. They were years in the making and would not have been butterflied away by a President Gore or the lack of war in Iraq.

Xen said:
Already looking forward to 2012, pundits are predicting Vice President Fred Thompson will be a sure thing for the GOP nomination and are looking at Barrack Obama, and John Edwards as the likely nominees for the DNC.
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Thompson? McCain's Vice Prez in 2004, I assume? Sure, I guess, but in a Bushless climate I'd think McC would pick someone more after his own heart, a fellow moderate. Thompson is a fairly rubber-stamp conservative, and is totally lacking in charm to boot.

And as for the Democrats, Hillary Clinton's Senate career would not be butterflied away, would it? She was elected Senator before the POD here, so she could still be a prominent Democratic figure seen as a potential President.
 
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