CH: Keep Boxing Popular

I have NO idea how plausible this is, however I learned some cool things about sports the last time I did a challenge with it, so I hope to do so again.:)

Basically, you must keep boxing at, or around, the amount of popularity it had when figures like Muhammed Ali were in their prime, to the present day. How you do that is up to you, but keep boxing ridiculously popular, which I assume it was during that period.
 
boxing remained popular up until Mike Tyson. He was just a bit too brutal and not eloquent enough to hold the public's attention after Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard retired, but was too good to defeat for a decade
 
boxing remained popular up until Mike Tyson. He was just a bit too brutal and not eloquent enough to hold the public's attention after Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard retired, but was too good to defeat for a decade

So finding someone to beat him could've kept boxing popular?
 
Better American Heavyweights.

have something really damage the NFL in the late 80s/early 90s, like a 2 year strike and a point shaving scandal in the SEC/ACC, followed by a player taking a gun out of his uniform and shooting into a crowd.

Also have the US hit the semis in the 94 WC and MLS go to a fall schedule to increase the popularity of soccer. (this is ASB territory)

MLB strike runs into mid-95, so ESPN keeps showing boxing instead of baseball because there is no baseball.


Less popular and lucrative NFL= more heavyweight boxers. Probably butterflies the UFC's success away as well.
 
Two things above all else badly hurt boxing:

The five trillion different associations that claim their guy is the boxing champ of their class

and

Best fights being only on Pay Per View.

The many many different sanctioning bodies stopped (and still is stopping) the dream fights from happening. People want to know who the Number One Dog is. They don't want to know who the twelve best dogs might be.

PPV meanwhile, when there is a huge star attraction is great. But it kills rooting interest in up and comers stone cold dead.

The rise of MMA/UFC fighting has shown that there is still quite the interest in these type of sports.

Boxing jumped to PPV too early and fractured itself to the point where no one cared anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.

Keep the number of boxing associations down plus somehow ignore the siren song of PPV should help a great deal. And, getting rid of Don King and Bob Arum might not be so bad either. ;)
 
Strangle the UFC at birth (some legal issue in Denver, Royce Gracie not getting a visa, whatever), restrict PPV as a technology. Stopping the alphabetti spaghetti of organizations would help.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what did kill boxing's popularity? I mean, even up until the 80s, there was an awareness of the sport and it's champions, and even today we remember names like Ali, Sugar Ray and Joe Lewis. Top say nothing of pop culture icons like Rocky. On the other hand, aside from Mike Tyson and Manny Paqeuo, I couldn't tell you the name of a single boxer that fought a match in my lifetime (post 1989).

So what happened?
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what did kill boxing's popularity?
The force most responsible for boxing's decline is the same one that causes all sports to live or die: television.

Boxing once relied heavily on prime-time Olympic exposure to introduce its future stars to the U.S. sports-viewing public. We first met Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay—the slender, charismatic 18-year-old light-heavyweight gold medalist in 1960 in Rome. Boxing was the highest-rated Olympic sport of the 1976 summer games in Montreal, which featured Sugar Ray Leonard as well as Michael and Leon Spinks. Just 16 years later, in Barcelona, Olympic boxing made its final prime-time appearance on U.S. broadcast television.

In the intervening period, the networks basically abandoned the sport. This happened partly because an aggressive Home Box Office executive named Seth Abraham spent a lot of money systematically luring the big fights away from the networks.

Not that the networks put up much resistance. Boxing's fan base wasn't necessarily shrinking, but its sponsors were turning against it. The unpredictability of the length of fights posed a problem for advertisers: A heavily promoted fight between heavyweight champion Larry Holmes and Marvis Frazier, for instance, lasted less than one round.

Advertisers also had issues with boxing's reputation—not for brutality but for corruption...

Considering you had classic fights in the sixties & seventies being broadcast not just by the US nets, but also the BBC, then I think it's fair to assume that free-to-air MSM access gave the sport real credibility with the public, which it lacks today.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but what did kill boxing's popularity?

At a guess? The unpredictability of it combined with the relative infrequency of the real big name fights just doesn't make it commercially viable at the top level of sport broadcasting when compared to other sports.
 
A significant thing that you would have to do is to either prevent Ray Mancini from killing Duk Koo Kim on a nationally televised fight on CBS. That fight was the first step towards not having boxing on free to air television and to have fights shortened from 15 rounds to 12. There are few options that could be pursued.

1. Have the Mancini-Kim fight be aired on HBO with the Pryor-Aguero fight being aired on CBS. This would put one of the best fights of the 1980s on free to air television while having the fatal fight air on a network with much less coverage at the time. The drawback to this is that Kim's death will still get some coverage but other sports such as auto racing have survived deaths in the sport.

2. Have Richard Green stop the fight earlier. At numerous points in the fight Mancini was punishing Kim to such an extent that not many people would question a stoppage. In round 13, Mancini hit Kim with a number of uncontested flurries. While it's not known when the fatal punch hit, lets say that the fight was stopped before it did. It would prevent Kim from dying in a fight aired live on free tv and it would avoid the cloud of Kim's death over Mancini's career.

3. Have Mancini fight someone else instead of Kim. Kim was an unknown quantity before the Mancini fight, only fighting outside of South Korea once and never outside of Asia. His 17-1-1 record was not impressive and the WBA could have given Mancini a more dangerous contender. If Mancini fought a different fighter and won then nobody would accuse him of ducking the unknown Kim and he would not have the cloud of Kim's death over his head.
 
Well, then fix these factors. How... I don't know, however presumably other fighting sports are unpredictable as well, that doesn't kill any chance at popularity.
 

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It's still popular here in germany, even my grandma used to watch the Klitschkos fight. Next to the "nearly german" Klitschkos, there are some other talented german guys, so it's not unusual to see fights on free tv. Popularity starts at the middle weight classes and up, so welter weights boxers are pretty much ignored in mainstream tv.
But I can't compare to the Ali era... I just don't know what the difference was.
 
A significant thing that you would have to do is to either prevent Ray Mancini from killing Duk Koo Kim on a nationally televised fight on CBS. That fight was the first step towards not having boxing on free to air television and to have fights shortened from 15 rounds to 12. There are few options that could be pursued.

1. Have the Mancini-Kim fight be aired on HBO with the Pryor-Aguero fight being aired on CBS. This would put one of the best fights of the 1980s on free to air television while having the fatal fight air on a network with much less coverage at the time. The drawback to this is that Kim's death will still get some coverage but other sports such as auto racing have survived deaths in the sport.

2. Have Richard Green stop the fight earlier. At numerous points in the fight Mancini was punishing Kim to such an extent that not many people would question a stoppage. In round 13, Mancini hit Kim with a number of uncontested flurries. While it's not known when the fatal punch hit, lets say that the fight was stopped before it did. It would prevent Kim from dying in a fight aired live on free tv and it would avoid the cloud of Kim's death over Mancini's career.

3. Have Mancini fight someone else instead of Kim. Kim was an unknown quantity before the Mancini fight, only fighting outside of South Korea once and never outside of Asia. His 17-1-1 record was not impressive and the WBA could have given Mancini a more dangerous contender. If Mancini fought a different fighter and won then nobody would accuse him of ducking the unknown Kim and he would not have the cloud of Kim's death over his head.

Ah... interesting. So, there is a specific event!
 
I really think the decline of boxing was the result of a perfect storm of bad events and decisions rather than one particular event.

First, boxing always was something of the black sheep in sports and society. However, this was not necessarily a bad thing. It was always the sport of renegades and those who refused to accept the status quo. Muhammad Ali’s refusal to go to Vietnam is the most well know example of this, but it really was a continuation of boxing’s proud history of telling the man to stick it.

For example, in 1810 a guy named Tom Molineaux fought a fellow named Tom Cribb for the English heavyweight title (which in 1810 was, for all intents and purposes, the world title). Why is this noteworthy? Because Molineaux was an African-American former slave who was fighting for the world title a full 50 years before the Civil War and 137-years before Jackie Robinson broke the color line in baseball!

Former Heavyweight champion Jack Johnson, an African-American, married three times. Each of his wives were white (quite a scandal in the early 20th century, when this took place) and the man he defeated for the title (back in 1908) was a guy named Tommy Burns. Burns, a white Canadian, was at one point married to a black woman (also scandalous in 1908).

All of this leads us to the ugly part of boxing. Often times these rebels would come to boxing as something of an escape, only to find that society followed them into boxing. This led to an ugly side of the sport where these rebels often became personifications of larger social and cultural struggles. Jack Johnson became more than the heavyweight champion, he became a symbol of black pride and defiance, which created the “Great White Hope” mythology. A lot of promoters got rich hawking the next Great White Hope, because everyone in America was desperate to see Johnson knocked off his pedestal. The movement was in fact started by Jack London, who was relatively progressive for his era, but still wanted to see a white man defeat the black champion.

By the 1930s Joe Louis became a proud representation of what was great about America, and he showed it against Max Schmeling, the German Nazi who was considered a close friend of Adolph Hitler. Of course, Schmeling, being a boxer, actually bucked the system quite a bit in Germany. He had a Jewish manager, and years later it was discovered he saved the lives of two Jewish children during the “Night of Broken Glass”.

So to save boxing, part of it would require boxing to continue to be a representation of greater cultural struggles, which I just don’t think existed like they did in the early 20th century up to the 1960s. You really couldn’t have Ali emerge in the 1980s because there was not the cause that he represented. Naturally the first openly gay athlete to come out while still active was a boxer: a guy named Orlando Cruz. But thankfully we don’t live in a society where there is a call for a “Great Straight Hope” or where Cruz is demonized by a vast majority of American or even Latino sports fans (WBO President Francisco Valcarcel actually came out in support of Cruz’s decision).

The second problem was the emergence of multiple titles without the natural resolution of a unification fight. This really took hold in the 1980s and exasperated a major problem in the sport, one that really hurt the sport tremendously: competitive fights. Ali was popular because he was a great fighter in a great era. When he fought Joe Frazier in the Garden, people really didn’t know who would win. You had Frazier, George Foreman and Ken Norton all in the same era. By the 1980s the emergence of dozens of sanctioning organizations meant that you had numerous champions who were not fighting each other. Other than his fight with Gerry Cooney, Larry Holmes was never in a “pick ‘em” fight as a champion, and he had over 20-title fights! But had he fought Michael Dokes when Dokes was undefeated in 1982, followed by Greg Page in 1983, followed by Pinklon Thomas in 1984, followed by Tony Tubbs in 1985, then he would have had fights that fans could have gotten a bit more excited about. Sure all of those guys sort of flopped, but had they fought Holmes in unification fights at least fans would have been able to debate who would have won those fights at the time. Holmes almost surely would have beaten them all, but the boost to the sport would have been huge: undefeated champion versus undefeated contender/champion. Basically, the heavyweight division has been reliving Superbowl XX for the last forty years.

Third, I think West Ham and Magniac are correct. The loss of network boxing (which the Mancini-Kim fight had a huge influence on) coupled with the emergence of HBO took boxing out of living rooms and made it a much less assessable sport. Let’s be honest, if every NFL game was on HBO in the 1980s and the Superbowl was a $50 PPV, there would be a lot more basketball fans in America and a lot les football fans. Losing the network TV contract badly badly hurt the sport.

Finally, the Heavyweight division has been a mess ever since Ali retired. Holmes was a great champion and a great fighter, but he never had his “Joe Frazier”. His losses were either shocking upsets (Michael Spinks) or past his prime (Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield). Mike Tyson was also a great fighter, but like Holmes, he didn’t have his Joe Frazier. All of his losses were either stunning upsets (Buster Douglas) or past his prime (Lennox Lewis) with one big exception: the second Holyfield fight, which sadly, didn’t help the sport much at all. The sport has not had an “Ali-Frazier” like fight between two dominant powerhouses in years, and the loss of access to networks has hurt American boxing quite a bit. Blairwitch is correct; we would need a dominant, personable, American heavyweight during the Lennox Lewis era. I don’t mean to sound ethnocentric, but America is where the money is in boxing (there is a reason why Lewis fought almost all of his championship fights in Nevada) and the presence of exciting American heavyweights is always a plus for the sport.
 
Wait, you know more about depressing 1990s stuff?:eek::p

But also, damn is boxing an interesting sport. I didn't really know about the whole rebellious part of it, to say the least.

For a conflict, maybe a class conflict somehow? Or maybe a boxer that was a former drug addict or something? Those are just examples, I don't how workable they are here, however both were issues in the 1980s, with Reagan and all.

Otherwise, sounds like we need to keep it to one or two sanctioning organizations somehow, but how?
 
I think the decline of boxing can be traced to the following (and please forgive me if these have already been mentioned):

1. Too many sanctioning bodies. I believe the sport started with the WBA and WBC and with the IBF and later WBO soon to follow. This, obviously, leads to the conundrum of the best fighters rarely if ever facing one another while in their prime years. Consider, for instance, if there were four different professional football leagues in America that each played their own Super Bowl- resulting in four different pro football teams claiming to be world champions at the same time. Not only would this lead to a diluted and watered down sport but lack of fan interest in that the best teams would not be facing one another.

2. Limitations of PPV. As far as I can tell, just about every championship fight is either on HBO or Showtime or PPV. This, in my opinion, limits the common man from being exposed to the sport. Imagine if, for instance, the Super Bowl, World Series, NBA Finals, Final Four, CFB National Championship Game, Kentucky Derby, Daytona 500, Indy 500, etc were all on PPV. Would there be a backlash from fans refusing to support such sports?

What if Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao had not only managed to settle their difference and agreed to fight, but said fight was on network television (lets say on a Saturday evening on ESPN and starting at 7:00)? Would this bring more creditability to the sport? But let's take this one step further and have ALL championship fights on network television. I cannot help but feel the resulting exposure would entice kids to take up the sport, insisting that their parents allow them to take boxing lessons (and we would see boxing gyms opening up all over the place in the inner city as a result).

3. Boxing needs its own defining event- sort of like how wresting has 'Wrestlemania". Perhaps an end of the year series of championship fights (on network television) including the top weight divisions such as heavyweight, middleweight, welterweight, etc and match up the best fighters against one another. It is little things like this that I see capturing the viewing public's imagination and subsequently increasing interest in the sport.
 
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Okay, how do we get less sanctioning bodies? That seems to be the key to prevent things like PPV, as than there'd be more championship fights.

So come on guys, lets fulfill the challenge.;)
 
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