CH: Islam Remains Powerful Into The Modern Day

... which wanted to form a socialist union with the rest of French Indochina, IIRC.

But why then they didn't remains so long and take for good Cambodia after the Khmers Rouges mess, when apparently they got greeted as liberators? Laos? Merely the presence of Thailand for both so close, or...
 

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i dont get the "there are not nationalists in the ottoman empire so whitout ww1 there will never be a successful secessionist movement for example with arabs". History of XX century teaches us that nationalism eventually arises everywhere. The ottoman empire was a multinational structure which couldnt survive the century.
 
OK, I can see at least two problems here: the Safavids and the Mughals were never *in* any "European theatre" in the first place. The kind of PODs that would have a Mughal Empire deserving of the term Great Power also place so many butterflies on *European* history that this leads to a very different world than IOTL. Starting with the most obvious point that the British Empire as we know it will never exist.
 
It could be as late as c. 1900. Have the Ottomans hold onto some more of their Balkan territory, in addition to Anatolia, Mesopotamia, the Levant and the Hedjaz. Have them sit out the First World War, if such occurs, or at least have them on the winning side.

Then just have them wait until oil. Now we have a G8 level nation that has control over significant reserves of THE strategic resource. If a Cold War between Russia and America happens, they'll be on the side of the United States against their old enemy, as a Japan, Britain or France caliber ally.

I don't know what the PoD would be. But the collapse of the Ottomans, or the Austro-Hungarians for that matter, was not inevitable.

This is truer for the Ottomans than for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The combination of the next Ausgleich, Franz Josef croaking, and the anti-Magyar Franz Ferdinand is not an auspicuous one and would in all probability lead to either a great big mess or a great big mess plus civil war. By comparison if the Ottomans can keep relatively friendly vassals in the Hijaz and their control of the OTL Iraqi oil fields then they're going to have one of the crudest means of survival imaginable: being more of a real-life CHOAM than OPEC in its wildest imaginings could have been. The oil, after all, must flow, and destabilizing the Ottomans after a certain point means endangering the oil. Any WWII equivalent won't want to have the Ottomans able to do things like squeeze the balls of either side or to risk fighting over said oil......

While Austria-Hungary has two ticking time bombs: the renewal of the Ausgleich and the simultaneous rise of a man who did not like the Hungarians, who will start using this thing as a pretext to make demands for an outright independence the Dual Monarchy will never give. Without the benefit of a lot of things like oil that might help it to paper over its internal weaknesses to stronger neighbors.
 
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