Cesare Borgia

What happens if Cesare Borgia lives longer? Say at least long enough to outlive Julius II. What happens?

You need his father to live longer, or his father's successor to live longer to have lots of butterflies. Because as I recalle Cesare died in exile or in imprison
 

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You need his father to live longer, or his father's successor to live longer to have lots of butterflies. Because as I recalle Cesare died in exile or in imprison

He died in Spain iirc

But yeah, his father needs to live longer or the next Pope as well.

Cesare lost most of his money and lands in the months and weeks after his dads death, outright robbed for the most part or loans not given back.
 
A better POD would be either Alexander VI living longer (or Pius III) or Cesare not being ill by the time of the Pope's death, so that he can properly react to Della Rovere's machinations and prepare himself for his possible election as Julius II. Machiavelli himself in The Prince muses that Cesare could have been victorious, had he not been ill in those fateful weeks of August 1503, but his major fault undoubtedly was his dependence on his father's pontificate. Cesare needed more time to consolidate his domains in the Romagna and Urbino to make the House of Borgia a permanent actor in Italy, instead of fading away with Julius II.
 
My original question was what would happen if Cesare were still alive at the next conclave (1512), perhaps to angle for what remained of the pro-Borgia cardinals to be elected? OTL for some reason, despite the family's reputation for it, he never murdered Julius II during his pontificate, and I can't think that it would have been overly difficult to do so.
 
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