Central Powers Win World War I (1918) What territories to the Ottomans get?

[Incanian]

I was wondering in 1918 you know, Germans capture Paris Central Power Victory, what the Ottomans would get.

I was thinking they would get the territories of

-Cyprus
-Aegean Islands
-Restoration of Ottoman Caucasus lands pre-1877
-Kuwait
-Dodecanese Islands

Puppets in the Caucasus Mountains
Albania as a dependent Ottoman state, but also kinda co-ruled by Austria-Hungary

Possible territorial gains

-Libya
-Sinai

So what would the Ottomans get?

 

[Lalli]

From Brits Ottomans not get anything if they aren't able to occupy these territories. So Cyprus, Kuwait and Sinai are bsolutely out from options.

With Russia 1877 border and puppetising of Caucasus is very possible.

Libya is possible.

Ottomans too can get Aegean Islands and Dodecanese Islands.

But all depends how CPs win the war.

 

[Incanian]

From Brits Ottomans not get anything if they aren't able to occupy these territories. So Cyprus, Kuwait and Sinai are bsolutely out from options.

With Russia 1877 border and puppetising of Caucasus is very possible.

Libya is possible.

Ottomans too can get Aegean Islands and Dodecanese Islands.

But all depends how CPs win the war.

The Ottomans could occupy Kuwait, Cyprus, and possibly the Sinai, so it seems like they could claim that. With Gallipoli, Kut, and Gaza, the Ottomans could make claims on Britain.

 

[FillyofDelphi]

From Brits Ottomans not get anything if they aren't able to occupy these territories. So Cyprus, Kuwait and Sinai are bsolutely out from options.

With Russia 1877 border and puppetising of Caucasus is very possible.

Libya is possible.

Ottomans too can get Aegean Islands and Dodecanese Islands.

But all depends how CPs win the war.

Well, technically Cyprus and Egyptian territories were Ottoman prior to the war, so a status quo antibellium peace with Germany would technically result in those regions having to go back to their pre-war status. But in a 1918 peace they're REALLY hurting, as are the Germans, so unless the war drags on for longer until Britain is willing to tolerate such a peace that really isen't an issue. That's too late for any of the CP but Germany to get out with much anything in the way of gains.

 

[Dominic]

Best case is probably pre-war borders, if it's also a 1918 PoD. The Ottomans did well during WW1, but by 1918 they had been thoroughly defeated. Unless Germany is able to defeat the Grand Fleet and dictate terms to London then the Ottomans aren't getting anything out of them.

 

[Incanian]

Best case is probably pre-war borders, if it's also a 1918 PoD. The Ottomans did well during WW1, but by 1918 they had been thoroughly defeated. Unless Germany is able to defeat the Grand Fleet and dictate terms to London then the Ottomans aren't getting anything out of them.

The mod Kaiserreich proposes a "Peace with honor" As Britain would be put to the negotiating tables. Considering abled defeats to the British in Gallipoli, Gaza, and Kut, those pieces of land is less than enough of what the Ottomans could get. The Ottomans could get a limited number of things from Britain in territory, being some of Sinai, Kuwait, and Cyprus, the Ottomans will probably ask for some money, but especially the two dreadnoughts they requested from Britain in the first place.

 

[Lalli]

Best case is probably pre-war borders, if it's also a 1918 PoD. The Ottomans did well during WW1, but by 1918 they had been thoroughly defeated. Unless Germany is able to defeat the Grand Fleet and dictate terms to London then the Ottomans aren't getting anything out of them.

With 1918 POD surely Ottomans don't get anything. It was effectively defensive status against Brits. But Russians were already practically defeated so it gets something on Brest-Litovsk peace.

 

[Lothal]

Nothing. The Ottomans were practically fighting for survival during WW1. They were on life support. Any new territories could have brought them deeper into their downward spiral

 

[Dominic]

With 1918 POD surely Ottomans don't get anything. It was effectively defensive status against Brits. But Russians were already practically defeated so it gets something on Brest-Litovsk peace.

That's a fair point, I could certainly see some Ottoman gains in the Caucasus. It is unlikely that the Ottomans could keep Arabia; the Levant and Mesopotamia will probably remain Ottoman. The British after a WW1 defeat will be very keen to ensure that the CPs have no direct access to the Indian Ocean, and might bargain away occupied territories to that end.

 

[Deleted member 6086]

In a more extended sense, I could see the Ottomans deposing the Sharif of Mecca and the other Hashemites (who had rebelled anyway IOTL) and ruling the area directly rather than as a de facto protectorate. No idea if this would cause problems, though. Possibly they'd also seek to finish off and conquer the Sauds as well, but they don't seem to have been very keen on this before WWI IOTL despite their conflicts.

Really don't see Egypt coming back under the Porte whatever happens.