Celts Spread Further

[Happers]

The Celts in our timeline had spread as far as Galatia in Anatolia. What if they went further then Anatolia like Persia, North Africa, Arabia, and/or the Asian steppes, maybe further?

How could they affect the cultures and peoples of their new neighbors? Could we see modern Celto-Africans, Celto-Arabs, Celto-Irans, Celto-Asians ect.

 

[Arkenfolm]

More Celts in Iberia = More Celts in North Africa, perhaps? Specifically, they'd need to push past the peoples in the south of the peninsula and from there expand into Mauretania.

Could they last? It would be interesting if even if the main branch of Celto-Africans assimilates into local culture (or even later Punic or Roman), some group in the mountains assimilates the local Berbers and maintains a Celtic identity for millennia afterwards.

Oh, this also implies the area that later became Andalusia has much more of a Celtic influence than OTL, so there's further Celtic expansion for you.

 

[Kerney]

Irish get to Iceland and Greenland first.

 

[Happers]

More Celts in Iberia = More Celts in North Africa, perhaps? Specifically, they'd need to push past the peoples in the south of the peninsula and from there expand into Mauretania.

Could they last? It would be interesting if even if the main branch of Celto-Africans assimilates into local culture (or even later Punic or Roman), some group in the mountains assimilates the local Berbers and maintains a Celtic identity for millennia afterwards.

Oh, this also implies the area that later became Andalusia has much more of a Celtic influence than OTL, so there's further Celtic expansion for you.

So, Celts expand through the Celtiberian and Iberian tribes, likely making Celitiberians even more influential then in our timeline. These Celtiberians see an opportunity in Carthage and the Berber tribes so they cross over. The Celtiberians who crossed over the years forms a cultural shift similar to the Galatians in which they are Celtic but noticeable have other influences. This culture is called Celtilibyans by the Romans. Because the Celts were an advanced people the Berbers assimate with them effectively allowing the Celts to survive.

Wonder if these Celto-Africans would sack Carthage. That could cause a whole other timeline.

 

[Byzantion]

The Celts in our timeline had spread as far as Galatia in Anatolia. What if they went further then Anatolia like Persia, North Africa, Arabia, and/or the Asian steppes, maybe further?

How could they affect the cultures and peoples of their new neighbors? Could we see modern Celto-Africans, Celto-Arabs, Celto-Irans, Celto-Asians ect.

Caucasus Celts, Silk Root Celts, Crimean Celts

 

[Arkenfolm]

I'm not sure they'd assimilate all Berbers. Maybe some, but not all. There's also the Numidians and all too, another Berber group. They'd make good mercenaries for Carthage to hire, certainly.

The only barriers they have in North Africa are the Atlas Mountains (lesser barrier), the Sahara Desert (massive barrier), and the Gulf of Syrte, with its hazardous sea travel and the land route being mostly desert and very underused in Antiquity.

 

[Happers]

Caucasus Celts, Silk Root Celts, Crimean Celts

I was thinking about that, if the Galatians survive longer then in our timeline, maybe they are just more unified and keep the Romans from ever making it to Anatolia. Likely making friends with the Sassanids and later Parthian Empire.

Celtic influence survives in Anatolia, these Celts are going to travel around so likely after the fall of the Roman Empire with no Byziunium to keep the Roman legacy standing Anatolia is a lot more Celtic, these Celts then travel north through the Caucuses and into Crimea. They will likely at first closely identify with their Galatian homeland but over the decades break away forming Crimean Celts and Caucasian Celts.

Now with the Celts, the question always come how will they effect their new neighbors?

Crimean Celts, I would think would be the most nomadic of the Celtic people, and the Caucasian Celts would pretty much blend into the Hellenized Caucasian people of the Caucasian mountains. Maybe forming a small monarchy but nothing big.

If these Celts survive, especially the Galatians, then you will have Celts on the Silk Road into East Asia. If enough migrate and trade you could have Celtic influences in East Asia today.

 

[Happers]

I'm not sure they'd assimilate all Berbers. Maybe some, but not all. There's also the Numidians and all too, another Berber group. They'd make good mercenaries for Carthage to hire, certainly.

The only barriers they have in North Africa are the Atlas Mountains (lesser barrier), the Sahara Desert (massive barrier), and the Gulf of Syrte, with its hazardous sea travel and the land route being mostly desert and very underused in Antiquity.

I didn't mean all, sorry for the miscommunication. The Celts as you said would only bring in some Berber tribes willing to assimilate for what ever reason be it instability, war, famine, or just curiosity about these white settlers from Iberia.

Yeah the Celts aren't getting through the Sahara. I don't even expect them to get very far into North Africa but maybe they can either sake Carthage or become like the Numidians and fight with Carthage as mercenaries. Allowing Celtic society in North Africa to develop and evolve.

 

[Albert.Nik]

It would be extremely interesting to know the scenarios and outcomes of a Celtic/Germanic empire in the vast and fertile Steppes in the Central Asia! What if they cross onto the next Frontier? The more fertile Punjab region is settled and a an Empire like Rome's is established assimilating the Indo Iranian/Aryan people and the Celtic language and culture is strengthened! The vast and rich India if assimilated by the Celts could bring great riches and stability to Europe too! Or if they expand towards east?? Or even an established empire in Arabia,North Africa and eventually parts of Persia and India! It would be a Peaceful,More advanced and a White World!

 

[Byzantion]

I was thinking about that, if the Galatians survive longer then in our timeline, maybe they are just more unified and keep the Romans from ever making it to Anatolia. Likely making friends with the Sassanids and later Parthian Empire.

Celtic influence survives in Anatolia, these Celts are going to travel around so likely after the fall of the Roman Empire with no Byziunium to keep the Roman legacy standing Anatolia is a lot more Celtic, these Celts then travel north through the Caucuses and into Crimea. They will likely at first closely identify with their Galatian homeland but over the decades break away forming Crimean Celts and Caucasian Celts.

Now with the Celts, the question always come how will they effect their new neighbors?

Crimean Celts, I would think would be the most nomadic of the Celtic people, and the Caucasian Celts would pretty much blend into the Hellenized Caucasian people of the Caucasian mountains. Maybe forming a small monarchy but nothing big.

If these Celts survive, especially the Galatians, then you will have Celts on the Silk Road into East Asia. If enough migrate and trade you could have Celtic influences in East Asia today.

Some scientists link East Asia ancient Tocharians with Celts

 

[Albert.Nik]

Some scientists link East Asia ancient Tocharians with Celts

Yes they are linked! Both are Indo-European people. Indo-European diverse cultures developed as per the geography and situation of their migrated land. For example the closely related Indo-European peoples Indic or Indo Aryans and Iranians happened very differently and some cases contrary (Religion and society) because of a quarrel that pushed them apart (as it seems). Celts would be more advanced due to contact with Classical empires in Europe and surrounding like Greek,Roman and Egyptian empires than Tocharians or Scythians,etc who were mostly tribal then because of the Geography.

 

[Kerney]

Obvious POD, take out that city with seven hills in 390 BC. Divide Italy between the Celt and Celto-Etrustcans in the north and Greeks and Samnites in the south.

Also somehow make Druids prothletise and by extention Celtisise, spreading the good news across the world.