Celtic and Germanic culture without Greco-Roman influence

Let's say that the Carthaginians defeat the Romans at some point in the Punic Wars (pick your favorite POD to that end, doesn't really matter), but that they are never really able to project power north of Iberia and Italy. Now, even in the absence of the Roman Empire, there will be some cultural exchange between the Greeks and the people to the north, but let's say that no Greek-speaking polity expands or establishes itself beyond the OTL Balkans.

My point is, in the absence of much influence from Greece or Rome, can we project how the Celtic and Germanic emperor societies of Europe would have developed differently? Their culture? Their language? Their religion?
 

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My point is, in the absence of much influence from Greece or Rome, can we project how the Celtic and Germanic emperor societies of Europe would have developed differently? Their culture? Their language? Their religion?
Same as in "no Islam" threads it is impossible to project such deep going changes going so far back.
This is a "no Christianity" thread, BTW.
No spread of the Latin alphabet - everybody goes Greek. It would spread from Massalia on its own. Most probably - as we cannot rule out other courses of events - e.g. Carthage (or some plague, or a lucky Gaulish raider) wipes out Massalia, Rome moves into the ruins and sets up a colonia there, Latin alphabet spreads up the Rhone ...
No Romance languages north of the Alps and east of Dalmatia? Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, other languages instead?
 
So there is a degree to which I think we can make predictive models that, whilst not necessarily reflective of the cultures, would certainly be an effective approximation.

Religion wise, we can use models such as that of Dyeus and apply that onto what little we know of Germanic and Celtic cultures. We can certainly see certain trends as popular, like the pretty much universal Celtic tendency for triune deities (Lugus, Dagda and Morrigan amongst others).
There could weirdly be a much earlier move towards monotheism in eastern Europe. The Thracians were at points somewhat monotheistic with their worship of Zalmoxis and they would likely be in a stronger position without Greek civilization + the interplay of Zoroastrian philosophers could be a further boon to that idea.

Although predicting nations and migration success is a particularly hard thing to do in these circumstances (particularly with a less defeated Celtic civilization), it isnt unreasonable to assume that the minor centralising cultural sphere of British druidry and Anglesey might become a good foundation for a nation given voyages from the celtiberians (who in turn would naturally have a degree of a "civilizing" effect from the Carthaginian), nor is it unreasonable to assume that given less interference a more distinct blend of celto-germans might begin to form than in OTL.
 
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