Cellini Kills The Constable, but Not His Line

The Constable de Bourbon was killed during the Siege of Rome, and artist Benvenuto Cellini claimed in his autobiography to have fired the fatal shot.

By his marriage to his cousin, Bourbon had several children who were stillborn or died in early infancy. After the duchesse de Bourbon died, the king suggested a marriage to the dowager comtesse d'Angoulême, Louise de Savoie, as a way of neutralizing the Constable's claims to land the king claimed through his mother.

WI one of those three kids the duchesse bore him (Françoise Cte de Clermont (1517-1518), or the stillborn twins (1518)) had survived. Bourbon-Vendome is relegated to a further removed place in the succession, but how might the orphaned little duc de Bourbon fare at the French court?
 
My main reason for starting this discussion was because I can't seem to find anywhere on the board where the Constable (or his line, which would be senior in descent from Louis XI, albeit not in their claim to the throne which was rather further back) survives.
 
Reviving an old thread, to wonder about who might the Connetable marry (if Cellini's bullet misses, or even if it hits and doesn't kill him). OTL there was a marriage on the cards between him and the king's mother, but I figure if he's outside of France, there's no way that that marriage is going to happen. And how long might Charles V hang on to him? Until the first peace treaty with François? And what would happen to the Connetable then?
 
Reviving an old thread, to wonder about who might the Connetable marry (if Cellini's bullet misses, or even if it hits and doesn't kill him). OTL there was a marriage on the cards between him and the king's mother, but I figure if he's outside of France, there's no way that that marriage is going to happen. And how long might Charles V hang on to him? Until the first peace treaty with François? And what would happen to the Connetable then?

Eleanor of Austria ? In 1527, there is no peace yet between Habsburgs and Valois. She is a good way to anchor Charles of Bourbon's alliance. After all, he is the first prince of the blood and number 4 on the succession list of the french throne, but maybe too few perspective for the emperor's sister. Another possible match is Margarita of Montferrato, if her mother Anne d'Alençon is strong-armed by Charles V, as she was OTL in 1530. She is the heiress, so it might be tempting for our exiled prince.

Of course, the legitimate heir to the Bourbon inheritance was Charles V himself, as the senior descendant of Charles the Bold and Isabelle of Bourbon, the elder sister of Louise's mother.
 
Eleanor of Austria ? In 1527, there is no peace yet between Habsburgs and Valois. She is a good way to anchor Charles of Bourbon's alliance. After all, he is the first prince of the blood and number 4 on the succession list of the french throne, but maybe too few perspective for the emperor's sister. Another possible match is Margarita of Montferrato, if her mother Anne d'Alençon is strong-armed by Charles V, as she was OTL in 1530. She is the heiress, so it might be tempting for our exiled prince.

Of course, the legitimate heir to the Bourbon inheritance was Charles V himself, as the senior descendant of Charles the Bold and Isabelle of Bourbon, the elder sister of Louise's mother.

Would Charles be willing to sacrifice his sister to such a poor match of a king with no crown? Would he not perhaps try to offer one of his aunts, Giulia or Isabel of Naples?

I like the Monferrato idea - the only thing is that Anne was pretty pro-French AFAIK.
 
Out of curiosity, if Charles were to side with the emperor, and his young son, the duc de Chatellerault, is still in France, how might this go down? Would Chatellerault be simply poisoned? Imprisoned? Held to ransom against his father (agree to this or little François goes bye-bye) sort of thing? How would the Valois go about trying to neutralize the boy (more importantly, would they? He's still in the single digits, so he could probably be moulded into whatever form they want).
 
Out of curiosity, if Charles were to side with the emperor, and his young son, the duc de Chatellerault, is still in France, how might this go down? Would Chatellerault be simply poisoned? Imprisoned? Held to ransom against his father (agree to this or little François goes bye-bye) sort of thing? How would the Valois go about trying to neutralize the boy (more importantly, would they? He's still in the single digits, so he could probably be moulded into whatever form they want).

We are speaking of Francis Ist, not Alexander VI Borgia. Keeping the boy at court as a prisoner/honored guest, educating him "well", marrying him to a decent girl from a loyal family (or even in the royal family) and giving him back a portion of his mother's lands at a later age seems a more "honorable" thing to do. He is number 4 or 5 in the succession order, after all.
 
We are speaking of Francis Ist, not Alexander VI Borgia. Keeping the boy at court as a prisoner/honored guest, educating him "well", marrying him to a decent girl from a loyal family (or even in the royal family) and giving him back a portion of his mother's lands at a later age seems a more "honorable" thing to do. He is number 4 or 5 in the succession order, after all.

Speaking of Alexander VI I was wondering about the possibility of the widower duc de Bourbon marrying the widowed Louise Borgia, but then I figured they're probably in different places (she in France and he outside of it) when they're both available. Would certainly make for interesting genetics.

And I will point out that there had been others who were "problematic" at the Valois court that had met with "accidents" - the duke of Guyenne, the duke of Anjou, the duke of Nemours, the count of Pavia - granted, nothing was ever proved, and these were just rumors at the time, but the fact that these "deaths" have occured in the last few decades, would probably make the duc de Bourbon a little concerned...
 
Speaking of Alexander VI I was wondering about the possibility of the widower duc de Bourbon marrying the widowed Louise Borgia, but then I figured they're probably in different places (she in France and he outside of it) when they're both available. Would certainly make for interesting genetics.

And I will point out that there had been others who were "problematic" at the Valois court that had met with "accidents" - the duke of Guyenne, the duke of Anjou, the duke of Nemours, the count of Pavia - granted, nothing was ever proved, and these were just rumors at the time, but the fact that these "deaths" have occured in the last few decades, would probably make the duc de Bourbon a little concerned...

Many of these deaths occurred decades before Bourbon's time. I do not think Louis XI's ability for "dealing with problems" can be extended to his Angouleme cousins. But, sure, in the Renaissance, rumours of poisoning were everywhere, so Bourbon can be worried about his only son.
 
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