Cars that could have been:

Is this what Zastava (Yugo) based their model on?

It looks familiar

Seem to recall it being derived from the mk1 Polo, if so and given the latter later spawned the mk2 Polo that remained in production until 1994, it would mean the ATL mk1/mk2 Chicco could remain in production until it is replaced by the Lupo in 1998.
 

MatthewB

Banned
One of my memories at a young lad was in the back of the Horizon in Mississauga, ON, Canada. We drove around a bend near home at less than 40 kph and I saw a car wheel roll down the road alongside us. Sure enough, moments later the car collapsed onto the missing corner. The entire wheel and hub had come away from the car. So my mother, myself and my younger brother walked home, leaving my dad and older brother to wait for a tow truck. We joked about it for years.

We were all born in the UK, so I wonder if my dad liked the Horizon’s British roots. At age 69 he died of cigarette caused lung cancer, so I can’t ask him.
 
One of my memories at a young lad was in the back of the Horizon in Mississauga, ON, Canada. We drove around a bend near home at less than 40 kph and I saw a car wheel roll down the road alongside us. Sure enough, moments later the car collapsed onto the missing corner. The entire wheel and hub had come away from the car. So my mother, myself and my younger brother walked home, leaving my dad and older brother to wait for a tow truck. We joked about it for years.

We were all born in the UK, so I wonder if my dad liked the Horizon’s British roots. At age 69 he died of cigarette caused lung cancer, so I can’t ask him.

The ATL scenario would have been interesting given the Horizon's replacement, the Arizona (aka Peugeot 309) would have either been largely butterflied away or not been derived from Peugeot componentry. Perhaps a successful ATL Chrysler Europe would have been able to make a better toleranced Poissy engine (instead of under PSA) featuring an OHC update (whether by Matra or in-house), or even a properly uprated version of the Type 180 engine that spawns 6-cylinder / V8 or possibly even V12 variants (given its alleged inspiration from the BMW M10).
 

WILDGEESE

Gone Fishin'
How about a proper "hatchback" Austin Allegro properly pitting it against the Golf etc especially in mainland Europe

ado67dev_06 (1).jpg



download (11).jpg
 
How about a proper "hatchback" Austin Allegro properly pitting it against the Golf etc especially in mainland Europe

View attachment 463062


View attachment 463063

A properly developed Allegro featuring a hatchback is doable, especially with a more EA827-like E-Series displacing up to 1984cc. Would have also opted for a front-end akin to an Opel Kadett C with Series 3 Allegro twin-headlights or a Reliant Scimitar GTE SE6b (with some elements of the twin-headlight versions of the Alfa Romeo Alfasud / Sprint).

Though it could be argued that ADO22 would have been a better alternative had it appeared earlier (in terms of being a development of ADO16 as opposed to a clean-sheet design with lots of carryover) or even an alternate smaller lighter Austin Maxi with a 99-100-inch wheelbase (allowing the latter to feature a 1300cc entry-level engine up to a 2-litre 4-cylinder) as such an ATL Maxi would have roughly similar dimensions to the Simca 1100.

Curiously have read claims of the Maestro platform actually being a development of the Allegro platform, the latter being used as a starting point and modified in the course of development of the Maestro. Which leads to the question of whether the Allegro could have featured an end-on gearbox and if necessary conventional suspension like on the Maestro from the outset. Though a better POD would have been for ADO22 to enter production much earlier, while the Allegro platform evolves into the Maestro (ideally the latter would feature this styling from the outset).
 
Last edited:
A Marcello Gandini proposal for the Renault 9 inspired by his previous work on the Ferrari Rainbow concept - http://lignesauto.fr/?p=11006&fbclid

upload_2019-6-25_1-20-37.jpeg


An interesting thing to note would be if one were to combine the above with Gandini's later work with the Volvo-derived Volvo Tundra concept, that it would have made an interesting precursor to the Volvo 480 had Volvo decided to expand its ties with Renault by producing a Gandini styled version of the Renault 9 (and Renault 11 - which also formed the basis for the Renault Alliance) as Volvo slotting below the Volvo 300-Series until the arrival of the Volvo 480 and Volvo 440 / 460.
 
Top