carlos II of Spain born healthy

It would depend on the queen as you can't simply remove the regency.
Wiki says C II's first marriage was arranged by John of Austria, who had briefly seized power from the Queen. C II was 16ish at the time. a healthier lad might have been declared in his majority. Any way you slice it, IF those in charge desire a match with France, and Louis XIV has an appropriate aged daughter available (no real reason a POD of a healthy C II would make a surviving Louis daughter, though), it would logically stand that she is first in line to be offered. Spain is a top prize to make a match with.
 
Wiki says C II's first marriage was arranged by John of Austria, who had briefly seized power from the Queen. C II was 16ish at the time. a healthier lad might have been declared in his majority. Any way you slice it, IF those in charge desire a match with France, and Louis XIV has an appropriate aged daughter available (no real reason a POD of a healthy C II would make a surviving Louis daughter, though), it would logically stand that she is first in line to be offered. Spain is a top prize to make a match with.
You are right.To be honest I unfortunatly don't know much about Charles reign which is a pity as it seems an interesting period.
 
Seeing him healthy and much more involvedmwould be fascinating I think
You can write a TL about it. Spain was in a period of transition from an interventionist policy to saving as much holdings as it could. Charles would have to deal with rebuilding the coast,dealing with all the little parlaments of the hispanic monarchy,building a new diplomatic policy and reforming the economy who had been hit really hard by the the plagues and heavy taxation.
 
You can write a TL about it. Spain was in a period of transition from an interventionist policy to saving as much holdings as it could. Charles would have to deal with rebuilding the coast,dealing with all the little parlaments of the hispanic monarchy,building a new diplomatic policy and reforming the economy who had been hit really hard by the the plagues and heavy taxation.
Aye and the really shit economic management of his predecessors
 
Aye and the really shit economic management of his predecessors
Olivares had a lot of very good ideas in mind like creating small banks to finance the lower classes.If you are planing on writting a TL I could give you some hindsights on Phillip the IV and Olivares if you want too.
 
Olivares had a lot of very good ideas in mind like creating small banks to finance the lower classes.If you are planing on writting a TL I could give you some hindsights on Phillip the IV and Olivares if you want too.
That’d be really helpful thank you!
 
That’d be really helpful thank you!
Just send me private message and I will try to help you.You should read about the arbitristas which could help you understanding some of the reforms proposed to fix the economy which some were really innovative
 
Just send me private message and I will try to help you.You should read about the arbitristas which could help you understanding some of the reforms proposed to fix the economy which some were really innovative
Alright will do!
 
You haven't thought about the Austrian branch of House Habsburg though, if Charles VI still only has daughters, and I don't see why a 'healthy' Carlos II of Spain would butterfly that. Europe would be facing a rebirth of the Charles V's Empire of the HRE and Spain. That would see the rest of Europe unite to fight Healthy!Carlos II just like his ancestor had to endure pretty much his entire reign until he abdicated and split the Habsburg's domains up.

A couple solutions could involve either Europe accepting Maria Therea's succession to the Austrian domains (and have her NON-Habsburg husband be elected Holy Roman Emperor), or if Healthy!Carlos II has more than one son letting one son get Spain, the other take the Austrian lands for himself.

BUT that is contingent on Carlos actually having more than one son, and that they both be healthy and able to sire heirs to make it stick.

Ironically Maria Theresa being made heir might be more palpable to the rest of Europe.
 
You haven't thought about the Austrian branch of House Habsburg though, if Charles VI still only has daughters, and I don't see why a 'healthy' Carlos II of Spain would butterfly that. Europe would be facing a rebirth of the Charles V's Empire of the HRE and Spain. That would see the rest of Europe unite to fight Healthy!Carlos II just like his ancestor had to endure pretty much his entire reign until he abdicated and split the Habsburg's domains up.

A couple solutions could involve either Europe accepting Maria Therea's succession to the Austrian domains (and have her NON-Habsburg husband be elected Holy Roman Emperor), or if Healthy!Carlos II has more than one son letting one son get Spain, the other take the Austrian lands for himself.

BUT that is contingent on Carlos actually having more than one son, and that they both be healthy and able to sire heirs to make it stick.

Ironically Maria Theresa being made heir might be more palpable to the rest of Europe.
Maria Theresa would be butterflied away. Without War of Spanish Succession Charles VI would not behave like IOTL, would not be in the same places. Also daughters of healthly Charles II would change marriage policy of major European dynasties, including Austrian HHabsburgs.
 
Maria Theresa would be butterflied away. Without War of Spanish Succession Charles VI would not behave like IOTL, would not be in the same places. Also daughters of healthly Charles II would change marriage policy of major European dynasties, including Austrian HHabsburgs.

But there WOULD be an Austrian Succession War if Charles VI fails to have any sons of his own, and considering the idea that there'd be even more Habsburg incest between Charles VI and a daughter of a healthy Carlos II... Yeah I think the Austrians would wind up with an equivalent to RL's Carlos II even if Charles VI DID have a son.
 
Hmm this is true, of Carlos II does have a few sons and the Austrian succession is up in the air could we have one of them take the Austrian and imperial thrones. Assuming of course Charles vi and Joseph I marry as they did otl
 
But there WOULD be an Austrian Succession War if Charles VI fails to have any sons of his own, and considering the idea that there'd be even more Habsburg incest between Charles VI and a daughter of a healthy Carlos II... Yeah I think the Austrians would wind up with an equivalent to RL's Carlos II even if Charles VI DID have a son.
Another Carlos II is not guaranteed, dynastic incest continued long after Spanish Habsburgs were gone, look at genealogy of Bourbon Kings of Spain, the same practice among them-uncle-niece or first cousin marriages. King Juan Carlos is descendant in female line of unbroken chain of Bourbon Princesses lasting for 8 generations.
 
Hmm this is true, of Carlos II does have a few sons and the Austrian succession is up in the air could we have one of them take the Austrian and imperial thrones. Assuming of course Charles vi and Joseph I marry as they did otl

Technically it would not or at least not as we think of it, the thrones of Austria, Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia would simply pass to the nearest male Habsburg. The legality of disputing this would be incredibly spurious. The issue would be in the Low countries and the imperial election.

France will definitely try something even if their claims are highly debatable and weak at that like they did in the war of devolution. The question is does Europe want to keep going down the road of the French slowly eating their way up to the Rhine.

I can see the Wittelsbachs making a play for the imperial throne with French support which basically makes them a puppet. Saxony-PLC would cause the same problems as Austria-Spain, a seemingly large block with too many potential resources to dominate. A Protestant simply won't be elected. The British are either neutral or will extract guarantees that this is a personal union and of there is more than one son there must be a division. The Dutch will follow the British. The German princelings will be wild cards, sure let the French have the Rhine so long as the emperor is weak or losses territory worked pretty well for them until it didn't with the Nine Years war and Palatinate territories were the subject of conquest (and even then they had to be hobbled together by William of Orange).
 
Technically it would not or at least not as we think of it, the thrones of Austria, Bohemia, Hungary and Croatia would simply pass to the nearest male Habsburg. The legality of disputing this would be incredibly spurious. The issue would be in the Low countries and the imperial election.

France will definitely try something even if their claims are highly debatable and weak at that like they did in the war of devolution. The question is does Europe want to keep going down the road of the French slowly eating their way up to the Rhine.

I can see the Wittelsbachs making a play for the imperial throne with French support which basically makes them a puppet. Saxony-PLC would cause the same problems as Austria-Spain, a seemingly large block with too many potential resources to dominate. A Protestant simply won't be elected. The British are either neutral or will extract guarantees that this is a personal union and of there is more than one son there must be a division. The Dutch will follow the British. The German princelings will be wild cards, sure let the French have the Rhine so long as the emperor is weak or losses territory worked pretty well for them until it didn't with the Nine Years war and Palatinate territories were the subject of conquest (and even then they had to be hobbled together by William of Orange).
Hmm this is very true, of course if Charles is healthy he could live till the 1720s, this perhaps having enough time to secure his second son the imperial throne or the Austrian territories at least. Perhaps even sending s son or grandson to be raised in Vienna if Joseph and Charles don’t have sons
 
Hmm this is very true, of course if Charles is healthy he could live till the 1720s, this perhaps having enough time to secure his second son the imperial throne or the Austrian territories at least. Perhaps even sending s son or grandson to be raised in Vienna if Joseph and Charles don’t have sons
You can be sure who this son or grandson will be first engaged then married to the most logical agewise talking of the four archduchesses (Maria Josepha, Maria Amalia, Maria Theresia and Maria Anna)
 
You can be sure who this son or grandson will be first engaged then married to the most logical agewise talking of the four archduchesses (Maria Josepha, Maria Amalia, Maria Theresia and Maria Anna)

Hmm, if the thing goes something like this. A marriage to Marie Louise of Orleans in say 1677.

Their children being born like this:

Henrietta (b. 1679)

Carlos (b. 1682)

Maria (b. 1684)

Ferdinand (b. 1687)
 
Maria Josepha (OTL Queen of Poland and Electress of Saxony) is born only in 1699 and she is the eldest of the four...
But the good thing about Austria is who we often can choise between so many archduchess...
So for Infante Ferdinand the most logical brides are not the daughters of either Joseph I or Karl VI but their younger sisters: considering their age the most interesting is the youngest surviving Maria Magdalena (born in 1689) followed by her older sister Maria Josepha (born in 1687)
 
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