Canute IV of Denmark invades England

I wonder: is there the possibility of an outside bet, here? Canute comes across and William fights back...

...but England revolts, and crowns another Anglo-Saxon king? Would it be possible for something like that to happen, a sort of push from the grassroots upwards to try and push both of them from the island?
The Anglo-Saxon exiles unite under Edgar, while Canute and William bleed each other white?
 
I wonder: is there the possibility of an outside bet, here? Canute comes across and William fights back...

...but England revolts, and crowns another Anglo-Saxon king? Would it be possible for something like that to happen, a sort of push from the grassroots upwards to try and push both of them from the island?

The Anglo-Saxon exiles unite under Edgar, while Canute and William bleed each other white?

Thats what I'd like to see and while I did suggest it earlier, upon further reflection I can't see it happening.
Edgar's best chance was right after Hastings... By the time of 1068-70 it was already to late. 1085 - forget it.
 

Zen9

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I wonder: is there the possibility of an outside bet, here? Canute comes across and William fights back...

...but England revolts, and crowns another Anglo-Saxon king? Would it be possible for something like that to happen, a sort of push from the grassroots upwards to try and push both of them from the island?
It's alway possible, Edgar the Æthling would be 14 years older, there's a possibility of a Hungarian pretender and some of the senior houses still had potential material available .
 

Zen9

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Took the words right out of my mouth, compadre. It boggles my mind sometimes how the Norman Conquest is so often treated as "just another war", when it was a brutal and genocidal conflict that spanned decades (arguably longer if you include later rebellions by non-Normans).

As for Varangians, not too sure how successful that would be. I mean, those who came would be skilled warriors who are committed to Norman overthrow, but how willing would they really be to fight for Canute? Seems to me that he'd come off as another foreign invader, but I may be wrong.
Thank you!

Well as for Cnute it depends on how astute he is. There is certainly scope to return/reward the exiles. Who would potentially be ideal to speed and smooth the transition to Danish rule.
 
It's alway possible, Edgar the Æthling would be 14 years older, there's a possibility of a Hungarian pretender and some of the senior houses still had potential material available .

Just curious: Did you have any particular Hungarian pretender in mind? Like maybe someone claiming to be a son of Edmund ie a 1st cousin of Edgar? Or just some Hungarian noble trying his luck? Or perhaps a relative of Agatha's (which means we probably talking bout a German pretender rather than Hungarian)?

And what senior houses are you referring to?
 

Zen9

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So we know a number of figures are under arrest and held in Normandy.
We also know Harold Haroldson... Harold Godwinson's son is in Norway by 1086.
Two of Harold Godwinson's sons are in Ireland.

As for Hungarians, it's a bit of a unclear issue who might or might not come forth.
There is also the possibility of various relations making a claim...like from Germany.
 
So we know a number of figures are under arrest and held in Normandy.
We also know Harold Haroldson... Harold Godwinson's son is in Norway by 1086.
Two of Harold Godwinson's sons are in Ireland.

As for Hungarians, it's a bit of a unclear issue who might or might not come forth.
There is also the possibility of various relations making a claim...like from Germany.

Prisoners in Normandy - Wulnoth Godwinson & Morcar Alfgarson - I think they are totally out of the picture (unless there's some kinda gaol break in the offing).
Harold Haroldson - is he in Norway by 1086? Is he even alive? The story that he's 'befriended' by Magnus II seems a bit farfetched given that Magnus died 1069. That he accompanied Magnus III on his 1098 voyage... maybe although I kinda think his older cousins (the Tostigson's) might be a bit more than peeved that he showed up in Norway. The whole Norway story first appeared in 1125, William of Malmesbury is usually considered 'reliable'... and I guess one small mistake doesn't invalidate the entire narrative.
Godwin and Edmund Haroldson - disappear from view after the final disaster in Somerset 1069. Kinda inclined to think they died in one the plague outbreaks in Dublin (either 1070 or 1084). OTOH there is a story of them being in Denmark 1075 seeking the assistance of King Sweyn in an invasion of England...
 

Zen9

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So we have potential sources of authority and possessed of some knowledge of how to run the Anglo-Saxon state.

Cnute then has the human resources if he wants them, and he would if he seriously wants to take the Kingdom.
Some are fairly close to his territory. All he has to do is induce a few to turn up in Denmark, and he can get the ball rolling.

Wulf Haroldson in Normandy has a loose enough imprisonment, that he's learning to ride and fight Norman style. So some of these prisoners have the potential to escape. Just no reason to try......

So give them a reason.
 
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