Canadian Power: The Canadian Forces as a Major Power
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Hey, would these be acceptable fates for these ships?
FS Clemenceau: The Canadians rejected the French offer to purchase the Clemenceau, however reccomended selling it to the Brazilians. The Brazilians bought it and named it the NAeL Rio de Janiero.
FS Colbert: Like with the Clemenceau, the Brazilians took France up and its offer. The Colbert is named the NAeL Republica.
HMAS Australia: It was turned into a museum ship after its deccommissioning. The Australia is located in Darwin, Australia.
HMS Ark Royal: Used a both a training ship and a museum ship after its decommissioning.
USS Des Moines: The Canadians rejected the American offer to purchase the Des Moines however offered to turn the ship into a museum for the US. It's currently located in Bremerton, Washington as a naval museum.
FS Clemenceau: The Canadians rejected the French offer to purchase the Clemenceau, however reccomended selling it to the Brazilians. The Brazilians bought it and named it the NAeL Rio de Janiero.
FS Colbert: Like with the Clemenceau, the Brazilians took France up and its offer. The Colbert is named the NAeL Republica.
HMAS Australia: It was turned into a museum ship after its deccommissioning. The Australia is located in Darwin, Australia.
HMS Ark Royal: Used a both a training ship and a museum ship after its decommissioning.
USS Des Moines: The Canadians rejected the American offer to purchase the Des Moines however offered to turn the ship into a museum for the US. It's currently located in Bremerton, Washington as a naval museum.
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I've been wondering about the Supercat. Shouldn't the US also be using the Supercat given that:
1)It doesn't have anywhere close to the amount of debt it did IOTL.
3)Dick Cheney can't can it since he wasn't in a position of power ITTL.
I could easily see the Supercat being used by both Canada and the United States in this timeline.
1)It doesn't have anywhere close to the amount of debt it did IOTL.
3)Dick Cheney can't can it since he wasn't in a position of power ITTL.
I could easily see the Supercat being used by both Canada and the United States in this timeline.
I did figure that the US would use the F-14 for a longer period, but it was not produced in the 1990s due to budget cuts, which even if Cheney isn't there is still hard to accomplish. I can see incremental improvements for the Tomcat in the 1990s and 2000s to an F-14E standard, largely based on Canuck-designed improvements.
By the way, I've corrected the 2030 RCN ship list for you.
Victorious class Aircraft Carrier (2)
HMCS Victorious (CVN 25)
HMCS Magnificent (CVN 26)
Bluenose class Landing Platform Dock (2)
HMCS Bluenose (LPD 1)
HMCS Challenge (LPD 2)
Terra Nova class Fast Sealift Ship (1)
HMCS Terra Nova (LKA 3)
Vimy Ridge class Amphibious Assault Ship (2)
HMCS Vimy Ridge (LHA 4)
HMCS Juno Beach (LHA 5)
Eagle class Guided Missile Cruiser (3)
HMCS Eagle (CG 33)
HMCS Bonaventure (CG 34)
HMCS Warrior (CG 35)
Province class Guided Missile Destroyer (7) - (Possibly make it an even 10 vessels maybe?)
HMCS Ontario (DDG 290)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 291)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 292)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 293)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 294)
HMCS Nova Scotia (DDG 295)
HMCS Saskatchewan (DDG 296)
HMCS Newfoundland (DDG 297)
HMCS Prince Edward Island (DDG 298)
HMCS New Brunswick (DDG 299)
Halifax class Patrol Frigate (16) - (In post 595, it was stated that three new Halifax-class frigates would be constructed to make the class an even 16 vessels.)
HMCS Halifax (FFH 330)
HMCS Vancouver (FFH 331)
HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH 332)
HMCS Toronto (FFH 333)
HMCS Regina (FFH 334)
HMCS Calgary (FFH 335) - destroyed by Indonesians in 2015.
HMCS Montreal (FFH 336)
HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337)
HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
HMCS St. John's (FFH 340)
HMCS Ottawa (FFH 341)
HMCS Edmonton (FFH 342)
HMCS Kelowna (FFH 343)
HMCS Abbotsford (FFH 344)
HMCS Hamilton (FFH 345)
HMCS Saguenay (FFH 346)
Calgary class Guided Missile Frigate (7) - (The HMCS Brandon was mentioned as part of the unit run in post 1008. I've also corrected the hull number based on the three new Halifax-class ships stated to be built in 2017.)
HMCS Calgary (FFG 347)
HMCS Thunder Bay (FFG 348)
HMCS Trois-Rivieres (FFG 349)
HMCS Prince George (FFG 350)
HMCS Sydney (FFG 351)
HMCS Brandon (FFG 352)
HMCS Bonavista (FFG 353)
Legends class Patrol Corvette (5)
HMCS Romeo Dallaire (K275)
HMCS Terry Fox (K276)
HMCS Rick Hansen (K277)
HMCS Tommy Douglas (K278)
HMCS Rick Hillier (K279)
Kingsmill (Astute) class Nuclear Attack Submarine (5)
HMCS Kingsmill (SSN 885)
HMCS Landymore (SSN 886)
HMCS DeWolf (SSN 887)
HMCS Murray (SSN 888)
HMCS Rayner (SSN 889)
Victoria (Heavily-modified Collins) class Attack Submarines (8)
HMCS Victoria (SSK 879)
HMCS Windsor (SSK 880)
HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 881)
HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 882)
HMCS Swift Current (SSK 883)
HMCS London (SSK 884)
HMCS Oshawa (SSK 890)
HMCS Sherbrooke (SSK 891)
Rocky Mountain class Replenishment Vessel (11)
HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR 511)
HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR 512)
HMCS Lake Louise (AOR 513)
HMCS Mount Logan (AOR 514)
HMCS Baffin Island (AOR 515)
HMCS Vancouver Island (AOR 518)
HMCS Ellesmere Island (AOR 519)
HMCS Nunavut (AOR 520)
HMCS Caicos Bank (AOR 521)
HMCS Mont Royal (AOR 522)
HMCS Laurentians (AOR 523)
Titan class Fleet Tanker (2)
HMCS Titan (AO 516)
HMCS Avenger (AO 517)
Canadian Shield class Container Ship (3)
HMCS Canadian Shield (TKA 6)
HMCS Canadian Arctic (TKA 7)
HMCS Canadian Prairies (TKA 8)
Polar 8 Naval class Icebreaker (2)
HMCS Rankin Inlet (IBH 01)
HMCS Frobisher Bay (IBH 02)
River class Coastal Defense Vessel (10)
HMCS Mackenzie River (MM 712)
HMCS Fraser River (MM 713)
HMCS Churchill River (MM 714)
HMCS Yukon River (MM 715)
HMCS Rideau River (MM 716)
HMCS St. Lawrence River (MM 717)
HMCS Ottawa River (MM 718)
HMCS Nelson River (MM 719)
HMCS Skeena River (MM 720)
HMCS Columbia River (MM 721)
Orca class Patrol Vessel (16) - (In post 705, you gave the Orca-class a 16 ship unit run.)
HMCS Orca (PC 55)
HMCS Raven (PC 56)
HMCS Caribou (PC 57)
HMCS Renard (PC 58)
HMCS Wolf (PC 59)
HMCS Grizzly (PC 60)
HMCS Cougar (PC 61)
HMCS Dolphin (PC 62)
HMCS Heron (PC 63)
HMCS Coyote (PC 64)
HMCS Wolverine (PC 65)
HMCS Swordfish (PC 66)
HMCS Mantaray (PC 67)
HMCS Barracuda (PC 68)
HMCS Albatross (PC 69)
HMCS Beaver (PC 70)
Victorious class Aircraft Carrier (2)
HMCS Victorious (CVN 25)
HMCS Magnificent (CVN 26)
Bluenose class Landing Platform Dock (2)
HMCS Bluenose (LPD 1)
HMCS Challenge (LPD 2)
Terra Nova class Fast Sealift Ship (1)
HMCS Terra Nova (LKA 3)
Vimy Ridge class Amphibious Assault Ship (2)
HMCS Vimy Ridge (LHA 4)
HMCS Juno Beach (LHA 5)
Eagle class Guided Missile Cruiser (3)
HMCS Eagle (CG 33)
HMCS Bonaventure (CG 34)
HMCS Warrior (CG 35)
Province class Guided Missile Destroyer (7) - (Possibly make it an even 10 vessels maybe?)
HMCS Ontario (DDG 290)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 291)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 292)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 293)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 294)
HMCS Nova Scotia (DDG 295)
HMCS Saskatchewan (DDG 296)
HMCS Newfoundland (DDG 297)
HMCS Prince Edward Island (DDG 298)
HMCS New Brunswick (DDG 299)
Halifax class Patrol Frigate (16) - (In post 595, it was stated that three new Halifax-class frigates would be constructed to make the class an even 16 vessels.)
HMCS Halifax (FFH 330)
HMCS Vancouver (FFH 331)
HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH 332)
HMCS Toronto (FFH 333)
HMCS Regina (FFH 334)
HMCS Calgary (FFH 335) - destroyed by Indonesians in 2015.
HMCS Montreal (FFH 336)
HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337)
HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
HMCS St. John's (FFH 340)
HMCS Ottawa (FFH 341)
HMCS Edmonton (FFH 342)
HMCS Kelowna (FFH 343)
HMCS Abbotsford (FFH 344)
HMCS Hamilton (FFH 345)
HMCS Saguenay (FFH 346)
Calgary class Guided Missile Frigate (7) - (The HMCS Brandon was mentioned as part of the unit run in post 1008. I've also corrected the hull number based on the three new Halifax-class ships stated to be built in 2017.)
HMCS Calgary (FFG 347)
HMCS Thunder Bay (FFG 348)
HMCS Trois-Rivieres (FFG 349)
HMCS Prince George (FFG 350)
HMCS Sydney (FFG 351)
HMCS Brandon (FFG 352)
HMCS Bonavista (FFG 353)
Legends class Patrol Corvette (5)
HMCS Romeo Dallaire (K275)
HMCS Terry Fox (K276)
HMCS Rick Hansen (K277)
HMCS Tommy Douglas (K278)
HMCS Rick Hillier (K279)
Kingsmill (Astute) class Nuclear Attack Submarine (5)
HMCS Kingsmill (SSN 885)
HMCS Landymore (SSN 886)
HMCS DeWolf (SSN 887)
HMCS Murray (SSN 888)
HMCS Rayner (SSN 889)
Victoria (Heavily-modified Collins) class Attack Submarines (8)
HMCS Victoria (SSK 879)
HMCS Windsor (SSK 880)
HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 881)
HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 882)
HMCS Swift Current (SSK 883)
HMCS London (SSK 884)
HMCS Oshawa (SSK 890)
HMCS Sherbrooke (SSK 891)
Rocky Mountain class Replenishment Vessel (11)
HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR 511)
HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR 512)
HMCS Lake Louise (AOR 513)
HMCS Mount Logan (AOR 514)
HMCS Baffin Island (AOR 515)
HMCS Vancouver Island (AOR 518)
HMCS Ellesmere Island (AOR 519)
HMCS Nunavut (AOR 520)
HMCS Caicos Bank (AOR 521)
HMCS Mont Royal (AOR 522)
HMCS Laurentians (AOR 523)
Titan class Fleet Tanker (2)
HMCS Titan (AO 516)
HMCS Avenger (AO 517)
Canadian Shield class Container Ship (3)
HMCS Canadian Shield (TKA 6)
HMCS Canadian Arctic (TKA 7)
HMCS Canadian Prairies (TKA 8)
Polar 8 Naval class Icebreaker (2)
HMCS Rankin Inlet (IBH 01)
HMCS Frobisher Bay (IBH 02)
River class Coastal Defense Vessel (10)
HMCS Mackenzie River (MM 712)
HMCS Fraser River (MM 713)
HMCS Churchill River (MM 714)
HMCS Yukon River (MM 715)
HMCS Rideau River (MM 716)
HMCS St. Lawrence River (MM 717)
HMCS Ottawa River (MM 718)
HMCS Nelson River (MM 719)
HMCS Skeena River (MM 720)
HMCS Columbia River (MM 721)
Orca class Patrol Vessel (16) - (In post 705, you gave the Orca-class a 16 ship unit run.)
HMCS Orca (PC 55)
HMCS Raven (PC 56)
HMCS Caribou (PC 57)
HMCS Renard (PC 58)
HMCS Wolf (PC 59)
HMCS Grizzly (PC 60)
HMCS Cougar (PC 61)
HMCS Dolphin (PC 62)
HMCS Heron (PC 63)
HMCS Coyote (PC 64)
HMCS Wolverine (PC 65)
HMCS Swordfish (PC 66)
HMCS Mantaray (PC 67)
HMCS Barracuda (PC 68)
HMCS Albatross (PC 69)
HMCS Beaver (PC 70)
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For a fleet that size two major issues come up.
#1 cost, how can Canada pay for all of it
#2 manpower, even with massive recruiting I am seeing manpower shortages
#1 cost, how can Canada pay for all of it
#2 manpower, even with massive recruiting I am seeing manpower shortages
In regards to that, how about having the Taiwanese buy all ten Farragut-class guided missile destroyers and all six Brooke-class guided frigates from the US in late 1993 and some Spruance-class destroyers in early 2004?
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Fantastic TL! I've been lurking and reading this for a while and I think it is just fabulous!
You've added famous Admirals; why no ship named after Percy Nelles, as Chief of the Naval Staff he was largely responsible for making sure the RCN wasn't reverted to a Fisheries Service during the Depression; and was the only member of the first class of Canadian Naval Officers to complete their training.
The United States Navy's budget for rust prevention is greater than Canada's entire military budget.
In OTL maybe. Here?
Probably not.
ROC Navy doesn't need that many ships, and there's also the problem of getting the funds to run the ships. 4-7 Spru-cans ought to do the job.
And why would Taiwan need an aircraft carrier anyway?
Marc A
ROC Navy doesn't need that many ships, and there's also the problem of getting the funds to run the ships. 4-7 Spru-cans ought to do the job.
And why would Taiwan need an aircraft carrier anyway?
Marc A
In hindsight, Taiwan buying the USS Coral Sea would be a rather dumb idea. In regards to the destroyers, how about halving the number of Farragut and Brooke-class ships bought to five Farragut-class destroyers and three Brooke-class frigates?
What? No CFL???
Sports in Canada have lots of different popularities. Love for hockey - considered to be Canada's national game - is almost universal, and Canada's ten NHL teams are regular front-runners. Canada has regularly been a major player in the Winter Olympic Games, in addition to hosting them in 1988 and being selected to host them again in 2010.
I'm new to this board, and I absolutely love what you've written so far, but how can you talk about Canadian sports without mentioning the CFL???
Sports in Canada have lots of different popularities. Love for hockey - considered to be Canada's national game - is almost universal, and Canada's ten NHL teams are regular front-runners. Canada has regularly been a major player in the Winter Olympic Games, in addition to hosting them in 1988 and being selected to host them again in 2010.
I'm new to this board, and I absolutely love what you've written so far, but how can you talk about Canadian sports without mentioning the CFL???