Canadian Air Force MiGs
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I assume you want Migs in service with the RCAF rather than just being test flown.
So did the aircraft come from a defector and get copied, or did someone steal the plans?
So did the aircraft come from a defector and get copied, or did someone steal the plans?
I had no idea. I just spotted it on a Facebook forum on the Mig 21 earlier, but then I found a link to this; http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageN...erican-friendship--2011-APRIL-FOOLS-HOAX.aspx
What about a Soviet dominated Europe in 1946 or whatever type scenario and a British commonwealth friendly to the Soviet Empire on England's doorstep, including defence treaties? No? Not really? Ok.
La Rouge Beret
Donor
You have picqued my interest... now if we can add Canadian quality control we might be onto a winner.
What Canadian avionics and missiles? The Velvet Glove was cancelled at $24 million, and had no supersonic launch capability. Avionics were unfinished and cancelled for cost, and ended up being finished for the F4H. All other systems were American.
and this has stopped repetitive Avro Arrow threads? Think of it as an opportunity perhaps?
I have an 18X22 drawing, a plastic model, and a photograph, signed by Jan Zurakowski hanging in my room. I had my picture taken with John Diefenbaker, although I did not ask for a copy. I knew people who worked at Avro and Orenda. The aircraft was real, and great. The engines were untried, and may have been just about to develop power. Avionics were a case of falling into the Hughes equipment, and missiles, with some warts. Whatever was going to make it work would have happened after cancellation, and requires some change in finances, personalities, and pure conjecture. Are you going to start another thread?
During the Korean war a Russian pilot desert and fly its apparel behind the Canadian lines. He is granted Canadian citizenship and the plane is brought back to Canada. A Canado-American team disassemble, reassemble and test the plane, the American and Canadian military are satisfied with the combat spec intel and simply shelves the plan. But Avro is able to get its hand on the blueprint and breveted the plane with slight modifications as the Avro Dart. Cheap and effective, the Canadian MiG (as some nickname it) is chosen as interceptor for Canadian airspace. An initial command of 200 is requested but politic get in the way. First is the American military who violently complain about the similarity and risk of confusion, then Russian ambassador asking for royalties due to thievery, the Dart seem to face a bleak future. To settle the problems, the Canadian government reduce the Dart command to 150, then a 100, to finnaly settle at 65, dealing with North American Aviation a liscencing right for the F-86 Sabre as its main air component. The Canadian MiG is restrained as an arctic interceptor, requiring Avro to modify the Dart engine (both for its new purpose and dismiss the Russian complain).
Despite its survival, the budget cut would eventualy force the reduction of the active plane to a mere 25, mothballing the remaining 40 or keeping them as replacement. The Canadian MiG will, however, be greatly appreciated by its pilots, mainly for being reliable and agile even in the worst arctic wind. They will be eventualy almost forgotten, as a cost saving measure, as the CF-104 Starfighter came and go, being replaced themselves with the CF-18, the arctic interceptors will be kept as Avro Dart, with small modifications to adapt to the changing technology.
Their career will however stop in 2001 with the Incremental Modernization Project. The modernized CF-18 replaced the aging Dart as artic interceptor and the new Boeing F-18E Super-Hornet replacing the CF-18 as the main Canadian air componant.
Despite its survival, the budget cut would eventualy force the reduction of the active plane to a mere 25, mothballing the remaining 40 or keeping them as replacement. The Canadian MiG will, however, be greatly appreciated by its pilots, mainly for being reliable and agile even in the worst arctic wind. They will be eventualy almost forgotten, as a cost saving measure, as the CF-104 Starfighter came and go, being replaced themselves with the CF-18, the arctic interceptors will be kept as Avro Dart, with small modifications to adapt to the changing technology.
Their career will however stop in 2001 with the Incremental Modernization Project. The modernized CF-18 replaced the aging Dart as artic interceptor and the new Boeing F-18E Super-Hornet replacing the CF-18 as the main Canadian air componant.
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Admiral Beez
Banned
Apparently the forced merger hasn't gone well for MiG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan
In 2006, the Russian government merged 100% of Mikoyan shares with Ilyushin, Irkut, Sukhoi, Tupolev, and Yakovlev as a new company named United Aircraft Corporation.[2] Specifically, Mikoyan and Sukhoi were placed within the same operating unit.[3]
So, in 2007, MiG's disgruntled top designers flee to Bombardier, taking with them upgrades to the MiG-25 derived business jet. In 2016, Bombardier launches the supersonic Global Express, with a RCAF variant for NORAD distance work. If this is too ASB, then have the MiG biz jet's designers flee in the 1980s to Canadair.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-soviet-unions-lethal-mig-25-foxbat-business-jet-13912
https://warisboring.com/coffee-tea-...n-a-mig-25-business-jet-26ad41ba71#.1ta3jjotv
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan
In 2006, the Russian government merged 100% of Mikoyan shares with Ilyushin, Irkut, Sukhoi, Tupolev, and Yakovlev as a new company named United Aircraft Corporation.[2] Specifically, Mikoyan and Sukhoi were placed within the same operating unit.[3]
So, in 2007, MiG's disgruntled top designers flee to Bombardier, taking with them upgrades to the MiG-25 derived business jet. In 2016, Bombardier launches the supersonic Global Express, with a RCAF variant for NORAD distance work. If this is too ASB, then have the MiG biz jet's designers flee in the 1980s to Canadair.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-soviet-unions-lethal-mig-25-foxbat-business-jet-13912
https://warisboring.com/coffee-tea-...n-a-mig-25-business-jet-26ad41ba71#.1ta3jjotv
Admiral Beez
Banned
But seriously, if the CAF wanted some MiGs, they could have bought some from Germany after reunification.
Archibald
Banned
The DDR Migs were mostly crappy MiG-21, except for a small batch of Mig-29 Western Germany took over (a single squadron to bolster their aging Phantom force)
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