Can the Habsburg Baltic Design Succeed?

Valdemar II

Banned
Yikes. Thats what Id call harsh terms...

Less harsh than the Swedes gave us in 1660. Jutland while worth more than Lusatia was one of the least profitable part of Denmark, so it would do little to weaken the Danish Kingdom (through it was a major producent of cattle), ironic as metioned before it would weaken the noble council of course it would likely also weaken the king with the removal of his German territories (which he could rule without answering to the council), the only groups which would be strengten by this was Burgers of Copenhagen, which could play the weaken noble of against the weaken king.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
To give you idea of how Schleswig-Holstein looked.

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Orangish is royal and Oldenburg domains
Blueish is Gottorp domains
Yellowish is jointly administrated territories by Oldenburg and Gottorp
Redish is Soenderburg

Likely the Gottorp would succed in upsurb the jointly administrated territories, when the Oldenburgs is thrown out. Which will strengthen very much, because East Holstein was the richest areas of Holstein. Making Gottorp a potential North German power in the long term, especially with their alliances with Sweden.
 
A interesting fact that the Habsburg first tried to force a peace on Denmark after the Danish intervention, where Saxony gained Jutland (and gave the Habsburg Lusatia back), they dropped it to avoid Danish intervention again, maybe if they force this on Denmark, their Baltic design could succed.

This doesn't make sense, Lusatia was only given to Saxony in 1635, 6 years after the end of Danish involvement in the war.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
This doesn't make sense, Lusatia was only given to Saxony in 1635, 6 years after the end of Danish involvement in the war.

Lusatia was occupied by Saxony in 1620 with Habsburg blessing in their war against Elector Frederick V of Pfalz and was pawned for Saxon support. Jutland would have been a payment for that pawnment.
 
Less harsh than the Swedes gave us in 1660. Jutland while worth more than Lusatia was one of the least profitable part of Denmark, so it would do little to weaken the Danish Kingdom (through it was a major producent of cattle), ironic as metioned before it would weaken the noble council of course it would likely also weaken the king with the removal of his German territories (which he could rule without answering to the council), the only groups which would be strengten by this was Burgers of Copenhagen, which could play the weaken noble of against the weaken king.

And fishing - go read Weekendavisen on "æ vej".

but would in times to come be a blessing to the Kingdom. Although totally impossible to percieve at the time.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
And fishing - go read Weekendavisen on "æ vej".

This weeks Weekendavisen?

but would in times to come be a blessing to the Kingdom. Although totally impossible to percieve at the time.

I agree we avoid the Torstensson War Denmark will end up in much better shape, and we would likely keep Scania (especially with a weaker Danish control of the Baltic trade Danish ownership of Scania will likely be more supported by the Dutch, Russian and English).
 
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