Can England Win the HYW?

The intention in that war was never anything like for England to conquer France. It was for a noble who happened to be a duke of lands in France, King of England and rightful King of France to take full control of the latter.

I think Henry V would have disagreed. :D
 
I think Henry V would have disagreed. :D

I would disagree. Think Henry V did view himself as the legitimate king of France. Earlier Edward III did seek to push his stake to the throne but was willing to make a deal giving up the claim.

Steve
 
I would disagree. Think Henry V did view himself as the legitimate king of France. Earlier Edward III did seek to push his stake to the throne but was willing to make a deal giving up the claim.

Steve

Then why do you diagree with my disagreement with Leej, who said that the English never really wanted to become kings of France.
 
Then why do you diagree with my disagreement with Leej, who said that the English never really wanted to become kings of France.

Faeelin

The way yopu worded it you were arguing that Henry V didn't see himself as legimate king of France, which is what I disagreed with. Meant to add a ;) but forgot.

Steve
 
Then why do you diagree with my disagreement with Leej, who said that the English never really wanted to become kings of France.

LOL.
I never said anything of the sort. That's a bit of a easy strawman. I'm sure 99% of men in the street would have jumped at the chance to be crowned King of France. Not to sure about having to share it though...
 
Playing a game of EU2 using the AGCEEP (Gah, acronyms), I just managed to crush the Valois and have Henri II crowned at Rheims as king of France. Following this, a thought occurred.

Can England actually win the Hundred Years War and conquer France? I mean, it has millions more people; and while it's divided, none of the powers have a strong interest in an English king.
Its totally plausable.The English forces were far superior in weapons and tactics.The English had a real standing army organized,with a navy that controlled undisputed the English Channel,and its famous longbowmen,and other such things.The French were a less developed,less urbanized society and relied for defense on coalitions of knights taken from local noblemen,who held real power,to form impromptu armies when the time came.In fact,up until Joan of Arc came along,the English were steadily winning one battle after another,and would have won the war if she hadnt turned things around for the French.
 
LOL.
I never said anything of the sort. That's a bit of a easy strawman. I'm sure 99% of men in the street would have jumped at the chance to be crowned King of France. Not to sure about having to share it though...


I thought you were saying that Henry V only saw the claim to the throne as a means to an end; namely, the acquisition of Normandy.
 
A bit of a necromancy here, but the English did have supple oppertunities to takeover the Kingdom of France before the 100 years war. Henry II, Richard Coure de Lion, and Jean sans Terra all formed campaigns that barely missed in forcing Paris to become a vassal of England. John, despite his failure in Aquitaine had formed an alliance with the Flanders and the Emporer of the HRE, which had a promisng turning point if they had decided to drive on towards Paris rather than directly confront Phillipe-Auguste. Henry II had the weak Louis VII as his target, and Richard was a relentless force. All of these were either interpurted by the pope, or they died. (or in John's case defeated)

Also Henry had pretty much turned England into a alternative France at this time. Afterall him and his sons were pretty much frenchmen. They were all raised in France, and Henry did manage did Frankify the English court.
 
I don't know about EU2, but you can do it in M:TW2 :)
You can do almost any insane thing in MTW2. :D
As England, I conquered and bought (yes, bought) all of France, Germany, and North Africa, and swept eastward to seize the Baltics, Ruthenia, and Poland.

So, yeah, that particular game ain't a good demonstrator for much, though it is fun. :cool:
 
You can do almost any insane thing in MTW2. :D
As England, I conquered and bought (yes, bought) all of France, Germany, and North Africa, and swept eastward to seize the Baltics, Ruthenia, and Poland.

So, yeah, that particular game ain't a good demonstrator for much, though it is fun. :cool:

You were very close to recreating the Roman Empire , and then some more :) . If History worked like the way it did in MTW 2- quite ASB to be honest ......
 
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