Can a woman be the ruler of the German Empire?

Brazilianguy

What if Frederick III, father of Wilhelm II, born a woman? Can she inherit the throne or the title go to her uncle ( because Wilhelm I only has daughter)?
 

Nivek

Brazilianguy said:
What if Frederick III, father of Wilhelm II, born a woman? Can she inherit the throne or the title go to her uncle ( because Wilhelm I only has daughter)?
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Yes..unless that way the Agnastic sucession could activate, hohenzollern used male favored agnastic, in this case Wilhelmina/Louisa would be the Kaiserin.
 

Vanity 6

No she can not be ruler of Prussia. I’m trying to make sense of the succession. Because of multiple predeseaces by 1888 I think the next in line is a certain Prince Albert born in 1837.
 

PrussianPrince

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Yeah that's a little snag. Germany was technically 4 monarchies in one: Bavaria, Prussia, Wurttenburg and Baden. Actually more since there were also a few duchies and one old Imperial Free City dragged into it, which made it all very funky. It's why the German Emperor was called that instead of Emperor of Germany as the latter would conflict with said monarch titles.

As such the Kaiser was the ruler of Prussia, and they would share the burden. So you would make the ruler of Prussia the ruler of Germany, so you look for that succesion law.

Except... It isn't actually explicitly said so. It's just a rule of thumb. At the end of WW1 Willy II wanted to abdicate only the German throne and keep the Prussian, and pass the German to his son. But that was considered illegal, although it could probably have worked but circunstances were not exactly good then and there was no mood at all to try and deal with any of that so the question was never seriously looked into.

So you could end up with a situation where you get a German Empress but the throne of Prussia passes by her straight to the next male, which would be quite interesting as it would split the royal line between the Emperor Hohenzollerns and the King Hohenzollerns.

There is great potential there for a timeline.
 

Emperor Constantine

The answer is no, she WON'T be Queen or Kaiserin, unless she's married to the next King/Kaiser. Women can't inherit German thrones. Period. So, assuming no butteflies, the throne goes to the line of Wilhelm I's brother Karl. More specifically Prince Friedrich Leopold of Prussia, Karl's grandson and Wilhelm's great-nephew.

@PrussianPrince, um no that's not true. The German Reich was, according to the Constitution, a Federation under the permanent presidency of Prussia. The presidency of the federation was a hereditary office of the King of Prussia, who for that reason held the title of German Emperor. So the offices were combined and you couldn't hold one without the other. THAT is why Wilhelm II's idea was stupid; it was legally impossible. So the German succession HAD to follow the Prussian one. Plus, Germany couldn't exist without Prussia. Germany wasn't the United states; there was no German army, no federal district separate from Prussia and only one Province under the federal government (Alsace-Lorraine). So your speculation is unfortunately mute.
 

Brazilianguy

Emperor Constantine said:
The answer is no, she WON'T be Queen or Kaiserin, unless she's married to the next King/Kaiser. Women can't inherit German thrones. Period. So, assuming no butteflies, the throne goes to the line of Wilhelm I's brother Karl. More specifically Prince Friedrich Leopold of Prussia, Karl's grandson and Wilhelm's great-nephew.

@PrussianPrince, um no that's not true. The German Reich was, according to the Constitution, a Federation under the permanent presidency of Prussia. The presidency of the federation was a hereditary office of the King of Prussia, who for that reason held the title of German Emperor. So the offices were combined and you couldn't hold one without the other. THAT is why Wilhelm II's idea was stupid; it was legally impossible. So the German succession HAD to follow the Prussian one. Plus, Germany couldn't exist without Prussia. Germany wasn't the United states; there was no German army, no federal district separate from Prussia and only one Province under the federal government (Alsace-Lorraine). So your speculation is unfortunately mute.
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But the two youngest brothers of Wilhelm I and the son of Karl died before him, the grandson of Karl is the heir in this case?
 

isabella

Brazilianguy said:
But the two youngest brothers of Wilhelm I and the son of Karl died before him, the grandson of Karl is the heir in this case?
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The line of succession goes from father to son, not to brothers...
so once one line is dead (or dead in the male line) you need to go back until the first male and then down under his branch before going to the next one.
Karl’s grandson came BEFORE Wilhelm and Karl’s younger brothers
 
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