Can a 1919 Polish-Soviet peace treaty hold?

Assume that due to an intricate series of coincidences Marchlewski manages to work out a peace deal between Poland and the Soviets in July 1919. Polish forces stop their advance in exchange for generous territorial concessions (note that OTL proposals went as far as Lithuania and Belarus) thus giving the Soviets an opportunity to wrap up the war in Russia earlier.

Could such a peace hold after the Soviets are done with securing their position in Russia?
 

MSZ

Banned
No. Just as the peace of Riga and every other 'peace treaty' the Soviets have signed, it would be of no value for them - just a tactical maneuver. The soviets would turn on Poland right after securing their positions, especially if revolutionaries like Lenin and Trotsky are in charge - spreading communism was deeply ingrained in the ideology.

Besides, even in 1919 Marchlewski had no intention of honoring any peace. IIRC Pilsudski had presented him with absurdly large demands, going further east than the PLC as well as demanding the independece of not only the Baltic states, but south Russian 'states' as well. When Marchlewski's response was not outrage but a general 'ok, lets talk' attitude, it became obvious that they would not honor such a deal, since no russian government could accept such demands - Marchlewski's two-faceness came out to light.
 
From the lack of further answers I'm guessing the issue is pretty clear cut?

So perhaps a better question would be whether it would be beneficial for Poland to actually accept such a peace knowing that it would be temporary?
 
Assume that due to an intricate series of coincidences Marchlewski manages to work out a peace deal between Poland and the Soviets in July 1919. Polish forces stop their advance in exchange for generous territorial concessions (note that OTL proposals went as far as Lithuania and Belarus) thus giving the Soviets an opportunity to wrap up the war in Russia earlier.

Could such a peace hold after the Soviets are done with securing their position in Russia?

In a short term sense, maybe. Only if circumstances lead the USSR to see it as desirable. In a long-term sense, no.
 

MSZ

Banned
It would certainly be beneficial for Poland. If it would be able to march into Ukraine like OTL only earlier in 1919 and without the threat of Soviet immediate reaction, the chances of Petlura successfully establishing a regime there, able to effectively support Poland in resisting the Soviets rise. Which is good for Poland. But one can't expect the Soviets to accept such a peace proposal - if they did, it would only be used to provoke Poland into moving into the Ukraine and using that as casus belli like OTL, only with the Poles being less prepared for war.
 
It wouldn't, sooner or later the Soviets would break it. The question is: would they attack right after Wrangel is destroyed, or wait, like it was in OTL after Riga. After all, they didn't annex the Baltics until 1940, so there is a chance.
 
Actually the Poles would likely break it; they hated communism and desired to destroy it utterly, if possible.
 
Actually the Poles would likely break it; they hated communism and desired to destroy it utterly, if possible.

Not quite, they feared that White Russia would be worse for them than Bolshevism. Not that they loved the Bolshies, but they feared the Whites more.
 
With earlier peace shape of polish-czechoslovakian border would be affected-Czechs would not have opportunity to take western part of Teschen Silesia like in OTL in summer 1920 during Tukhachevsky offensive. So planned plebiscites in Teschen, Spis and Orava are carried out. With polish-czechoslovakian border conflict solved by plebiscite relations between those countries should be better than in OTL.
 
If that government isn't red, then Britain and France may be the answer. Which was preciesly why Piłsudski did not help the whites.

And which again had nothing whatsoever to do from liking the Soviets. It's one of the most clear illustrations of choosing what worked like the lesser evil. In the ultimate scheme of things the USSR actually wound up leading to a Poland with boundaries rather further west than Pilsudski may have expected, while the most brutal period of Soviet-Polish relations unfortunately might very well have repeated itself with White Terror on a somewhat-larger scale. :(

I would not have wanted to be a Pole in the WWII timeframe. No sir. :(
 
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