Cabinet under the Stuart's

In the event of a Stuart restoration or continued Stuart monarchy is the development of cabinet government still going to happen? Or was that down to the early Hanoverians not knowing English politics as well as they should?
 
In the event of a Stuart restoration or continued Stuart monarchy is the development of cabinet government still going to happen? Or was that down to the early Hanoverians not knowing English politics as well as they should?
Probably. Charles I had one. It is a natural subset of the Privy Council after all.
Having it wholly exclusive to the Houses of Commons and Lords might be harder to develop though they would naturally dominate it.
 
Probably. Charles I had one. It is a natural subset of the Privy Council after all.
Having it wholly exclusive to the Houses of Commons and Lords might be harder to develop though they would naturally dominate it.
Interesting so we're the days of running simply with the privy council long done then?
 
Interesting so we're the days of running simply with the privy council long done then?
I think it's just that the Privy Council got too big to function as a government once it became a lifetime office of the holder so smaller divisions of it were easier to summon by the Monarch for the purposes of government and then once the Prime Minister had enough authority to hold their own meetings about government without the Monarch being present those meetings became the Cabinet.
 
I think it's just that the Privy Council got too big to function as a government once it became a lifetime office of the holder so smaller divisions of it were easier to summon by the Monarch for the purposes of government and then once the Prime Minister had enough authority to hold their own meetings about government without the Monarch being present those meetings became the Cabinet.
Intriguing, so if a monarch remained more interested in day to day business could we see them as well as the pm attending cabinet meetings?
 
Intriguing, so if a monarch remained more interested in day to day business could we see them as well as the pm attending cabinet meetings?
Yes, the PM would be calling the meetings on behalf of the monarch anyway so a more executive/interactive monarch would be calling them more often rather than just getting updates from the PM.
 
Yes, the PM would be calling the meetings on behalf of the monarch anyway so a more executive/interactive monarch would be calling them more often rather than just getting updates from the PM.
As it should be. Would the office of prime minister still develop under the Stuarts? Considering their preference for more involvement
 
As it should be. Would the office of prime minister still develop under the Stuarts? Considering their preference for more involvement
A chief minister with royal authority will come in handy even if it's not as explicit as OTL office that became the PMO.
More likely to be a member of the Lords though.
 
A chief minister with royal authority will come in handy even if it's not as explicit as OTL office that became the PMO.
More likely to be a member of the Lords though.
I agree someone who has their ear and can help bring concerns of cabinet to them when they're not necessarily in London. Perhaps the most respected member of the lords?
 
I agree someone who has their ear and can help bring concerns of cabinet to them when they're not necessarily in London. Perhaps the most respected member of the lords?
To start with. But it will soon become whoever can get policy passed by the Houses. It may be that that there are 2 in alliance, 1 for each House. It depends on how each House enacts policy and whether the monarch keeps them separate.
 
To start with. But it will soon become whoever can get policy passed by the Houses. It may be that that there are 2 in alliance, 1 for each House. It depends on how each House enacts policy and whether the monarch keeps them separate.
Intriguing, so how fine a balance do you think it would be between the crown and the houses?
 
Intriguing, so how fine a balance do you think it would be between the crown and the houses?
Variable!
It's all going to personal politics until parties begin to form.
You'll probably have a core "King's men" for whatever the king wants and temporary parties to oppose or agitate for royal support on policies of the moment.
 
Variable!
It's all going to personal politics until parties begin to form.
You'll probably have a core "King's men" for whatever the king wants and temporary parties to oppose or agitate for royal support on policies of the moment.
Alright is the formation of parties inevitable?
 
Alright is the formation of parties inevitable?
Yes. Like-minded people will congregate. These will eventually become official unless regulated against.
Notice how one party states still have several "wings" to them despite being officially one party.
 
Yes. Like-minded people will congregate. These will eventually become official unless regulated against.
Notice how one party states still have several "wings" to them despite being officially one party.
Alright true, be interesting to see who gets nominated and what sort of views become mainstream and radical here
 
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