C.S.Lewis leaves the faith

Keenir

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in OTL, C.S.Lewis (yes, the author of Narnia) witnessed his wife's slow death to cancer, and as a result, very nearly abandoned Christianity.

what if he had? what if there was no last-minute realization or however it was that he returned to the fold?
 
Perhaps then he could have become a leader to all the right thinking people in the world. He could have shown the world that he had the courage to believe in himself, and not have to believe in a "god" who murdered his wife in such a horrible way to justify his existence.


Now we just need to gather the people with the courage to stand with a man of vision, grace and strength, and smite down the believers while they futilely turn to their "gods" who won't lift a finger to help them.


Come on chaps, stand up and be counted for believing in yourselves, not for crawling on your knees to fairy tail gods.
 
You might want to stick to the thread instead of trying to convert people.

got to love the Atheist evangelists. :rolleyes:


any way, CS Lewis would still write, but wether, with out the story of the Bible as a guild he would of written any books as good or as widely read as The Chronicles of Narnia
 
Aeems here death was in 1960, well after most of his work. I know the Ransom trilogy was written in the '40s, Narnia in the '50s, I think The Screwtape Letters (the other I have read) was during the war years. So I think there is very little change.
 

Ian the Admin

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Perhaps then he could have become a leader to all the right thinking people in the world. He could have shown the world that he had the courage to believe in himself, and not have to believe in a "god" who murdered his wife in such a horrible way to justify his existence.


Now we just need to gather the people with the courage to stand with a man of vision, grace and strength, and smite down the believers while they futilely turn to their "gods" who won't lift a finger to help them.


Come on chaps, stand up and be counted for believing in yourselves, not for crawling on your knees to fairy tail gods.

This isn't the chat forum, so get rid of the religious debate.
 
Aeems here death was in 1960, well after most of his work. I know the Ransom trilogy was written in the '40s, Narnia in the '50s, I think The Screwtape Letters (the other I have read) was during the war years. So I think there is very little change.

Hard to say what impact his "later writings" could have. Imagine all the now-teens who grew up reading Narnia now reading Lewis' novels on how he lost his faith. This could create interesting cultural effects due both to those questioning or reconsidering their faith and the corresponding backlash from religious conservatives.

Now keep in mind this will be in the 60's and 70's when culture war is turning hot.
 
he would not publish a grief observed or the four loves

he other works will not have credibility and therefore will not be popular.

he will find himself unemployed because he is a fulltime author for a christian publisher.
 

Hashasheen

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Perhaps then he could have become a leader to all the right thinking people in the world. He could have shown the world that he had the courage to believe in himself, and not have to believe in a "god" who murdered his wife in such a horrible way to justify his existence.


Now we just need to gather the people with the courage to stand with a man of vision, grace and strength, and smite down the believers while they futilely turn to their "gods" who won't lift a finger to help them.


Come on chaps, stand up and be counted for believing in yourselves, not for crawling on your knees to fairy tail gods.
Mako, as a Christain who converted to Islam, I'd like to say a few things:
1. you mispelled tale.
2. you brought your unasked for atheist babbling into a thread that is concerning a man who wrote a good series, and grieved for his wife.
3. You also apparently decided to use him as a rallying call for your little Atheist special forces team.
4. You attacked everyone who believes in a god or gods, and called for violent action against religious people
5. You're a bit egomaniacal from what I can tell, seeing this: we just need to gather the people with the courage to stand with a man of vision, grace and strength. you volunteering? :rolleyes:

All in All, I declare ye Troll and hope you enjoy being on my ignored list. :cool:
 
he would not publish a grief observed or the four loves

he other works will not have credibility and therefore will not be popular.

he will find himself unemployed because he is a fulltime author for a christian publisher.

He might well publish titles (perhaps an alt-Grief Observed? :p) under a different publisher. By 1960 he's got a NAME, and Christian or not he'll find a publisher if he wants to. In fact, some atheist/agnostic publisher might go out of their way to recruit him.
 
Perhaps then he could have become a leader to all the right thinking people in the world. He could have shown the world that he had the courage to believe in himself, and not have to believe in a "god" who murdered his wife in such a horrible way to justify his existence.

God didn't murder Lewis' wife...
 
Another Option

A close friend of CS Lewis was his fellow Inkling Owen Barfield who was an Anthroposophist. Barfield frequently discussed Anthroposophy with Lewis. Initially Lewis was deeply opposed to Anthroposophy and even started to write a treatise called something like Summa Contra Anthroposophia. In his later years Clive became much less hostile towards Anthroposophy and would say things like on the whole it was a more positive than negative influence in society. A few fundamentalist critics of CS Lewis claim there is some anthroposophical ideas inside his work.

So perhaps the spiritual crisis after Joy's death causes him to embrace Anthroposophy though probably with reservations about some of its stranger ideas. This would be somewhat ironic as Joy hated Anthroposophy and would burn the pamphlets Barfield left with CS.
 
A close friend of CS Lewis was his fellow Inkling Owen Barfield who was an Anthroposophist. Barfield frequently discussed Anthroposophy with Lewis. Initially Lewis was deeply opposed to Anthroposophy and even started to write a treatise called something like Summa Contra Anthroposophia. In his later years Clive became much less hostile towards Anthroposophy and would say things like on the whole it was a more positive than negative influence in society. A few fundamentalist critics of CS Lewis claim there is some anthroposophical ideas inside his work.

So perhaps the spiritual crisis after Joy's death causes him to embrace Anthroposophy though probably with reservations about some of its stranger ideas. This would be somewhat ironic as Joy hated Anthroposophy and would burn the pamphlets Barfield left with CS.

This could be quite interesting.

Lewis could come to associate his wife's cancer with the Dark-Evil influence of Ahriman (as opposed to the Light-Evil of Lucifer). Trying to keep a spiritual balance, near the Christ being, could allow him to start a new story in the Narnia series. Aslan, or the new form of the Christ being, must bring balance back into the world against the two evil beings at either end of the spiritual balance of the soul.

With the space age upon the scene he may be able to influence more people (ala hubbard). By describing the Christ being as similar to a Lagrange point. While in orbit between to solar bodies the balance is maintained, but if it moves from this point it either falls into the sun (light-evil?) or interstellar void (dark-evil?). Of course, this would only work for L1. How he could explain L2 - L5 would be difficult.
 
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