Byzantinum never falls

If the Byzantine empire defeats the Ottoman Empire what would it look like during the later parts of the 1400s and onwards
 
I'm not sure the Byzantine Empire can recover so well as to get to a point where it can defeat the Ottomans and continue onward. You would probably need an earlier POD that butterflies the Ottomans altogether.
 
1400's?

Miracles are needed, like......Timur living longer and a much much much more thorough breaking of the Ottoman sultanate. Just send the Turks into a disarray in Anatolia and extend some sort of control over them.

Even if that manages to destroy most of the Ottomans, it still leaves European enemies. The one good thing about those of the Europeans that were Orthodox was that they'd most likely claim the empire and have some sort of legitimacy recognized by their contemporaries. The catholics would probably fuck up the system much more than the slavs and bulgars would in the event of Rhoman conquest.

If they manage to take advantage of the falling Ottomans and the amount of sheer chaos that would bring they could drag themselves kicking and screaming into surviving awhile longer in the form it had been for some time.

The Empire was surrounded on all sides, someone was bound to take a crack at them.

But to actually answer the OP, not possible. The Ottomans either win or die by another's hand. Rome doesn't have that sort of strength to put the Turks in their place under the Osmans.
 
Honestly the last real chance byzantium hd in making a comeback was before that disastrous civil war beetween Kanatakouzenos and John Paleologos and his mother. Prevent that civil war which lead to the first major turkish incursions into the balkans, the loss of vast amounts funds for the war effort from the byzantine treasury, the ravages that it caused to the population. Essentially that civil war ou could say was what broke the camels back.

Now if Kantakouzenos doesnt launch his revolt and comes to terms with John and the regent and byzantium remains united, then I could see them making a comeback since the devastation caused by the civil war would not have pccured. could Byzantium regain Anatolia? Maybe not. Nor could itreturn to being a great power unless someone like maye Dusan becomes emperor. I know thers a tl somewhere on this forum with Stefan Dusan becoming Emperor.


Bu could it become a major regional power? I dont see why not.
 
For a goodly span of its earlier history, Rome was a confederation which worked.

Did Byzantium have a goodly span for which the same was true?
 
For a goodly span of its earlier history, Rome was a confederation which worked.

Did Byzantium have a goodly span for which the same was true?

If what I think you mean is correct no, there was no point in the history of the Eastern Empire where it was a confederation.
I'm going off the hunch that when you say confederation you meant the Socii of the Early Republic.
 
I don't know about the Socii.

I'm basically going with what Eugen Weber said, when Rome took over a people on the peninsula, it offered them a deal. They would support Rome militarily in time of war, they would allow Rome to handle their diplomatic decisions, and in return they could run their own internal affairs. Weber described it as an extremely liberal arrangement for the time.

But, when Rome stopped being a republic and became an empire, this stopped.

I think this is the video:
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=TiKL3hxzyro
(with Vietnamese subtitles!)
 
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